Aren´t USA police already being trained in Israel and by Israelis here in the USA? Dual citizens are fighting with the IOF and military weapons are already being used here in the USA (skunk water at a protest).
How long until quadcopters are dropping tear gas or firing rubber bullets on college campuses to quell protests? How long until SWAT is sending these into homes on rubber stamped warrants?
i hoped when israel was asked about this that they have produced a drone that gives off sounds of children and women in distress that then shoots people when they come out into the open that when a israeli miltary spokesman was asked about it , that he would say "what lunacy, of course we dont have such device"...but instead he said "We do not comment on operational tools.”, makes me very uncomfortable indeed ..this is not the reassurance i needed to hear that israel was using such devices :(
To click “liked” or “loved” is bizarre. I often have military helicopters and drones flying over my house and I always imagine how horrible it would be to have either targeting you in an offensive attack. I despair that my government and tax dollars are being used to maim and kill innocent civilians. General and then President Eisenhower warned of the threat of the military industrial complex. His warning went unheeded and here we are so many decades later. It seems unstoppable, evil.
The past atrocities in the world, return back with more force and higher technology, to commit more atrocities! When humanity would have enough killings, tortures, and destruction of the God given piety and love among each other!
Malcolm Nance forgets it was also college protesters that pushed for our civil liberties to learn to write, publish and spew his special kind of nonsense
Well, take the first sentence. Had he said "Radicalized students, the ADL, and American Jews are set to do what Bernie Madoff and the Rothchilds could not – Destroy America."
i can understand many middle age and older republicans views on this , many have never been a protest in their life[its always been about themself why would they protest about others?]..and dont understand,...again, many of these see a future which might actually allow trump to get in, if the democrats are disturbed....but think on this, if we have to stop protesting, give up freedom of speech , and give massive police enforcement on anybody that wishes to speak ? then havent we entered the age of authoritarianism anyways?, maybe to a lesser extent to trump , but still liberty's are still being reduced/taken away? To some degree to stop trump, if you have to become as bad as trump and the party that supports him then perhaps america has already lost :(
Rather off topic, your link and though it carries a lot of credentials, it is hard to accept the premise that the students are tools of the jihadists. I would suggest you watch the interview with Jordan Stanley on Zeteo on the topic of demonstrations. It is on Zeteo. https://zeteo.com/p/yale-university-protests-israel-palestine. Just curious why you posted this link ?? Do you believe that any means are needed, including these horrific use of drones to kill Palestinians because they are all Hamas?
I posted this because the crisis we face is that Trump may win the next election. That the protests will be in the streets during the Democratic convention and that this is being manipulated by people who do not care a bit about Palestinians and peace.
Yes it is off topic of this post, so you can skip it. There is a very ugly war going on. There are no good sides. But if there is any hope for peace in the future it is by recognizing that the long term dangers that the manipulated protests will lead to a much worse situation than a resolution.
(The anti war protests of ‘68 gave us 8 years of Nixon. Think about it. ).
DK, you are completely misreading history - blaming Nixon's reelection on War protests. This is the cognitive error of confusing correlation with causation.
This from the International Center on Non-violent Conflict: By: Stephen Zunes and Jesse Laird
January 2010
The U.S. war in Vietnam triggered the most tenacious anti-war movement in U.S. history, beginning with the start of the bombing of North Vietnam in 1964 and the introduction of combat troops the following year. Over the next decade, hundreds of thousands of young people become radicalized in a largely nonviolent, diverse and sometimes inchoate popular culture of war resistance, employing tactics ranging from comical street theatre to industrial sabotage. Students, government officials, labor unions, church groups and middle class families increasingly opposed the war as it climaxed in 1968, forcing a gradual withdrawal of U.S. forces. Anti-war activities, particularly large-scale resistance to military conscription, forced an end U.S. combat operations in Vietnam and a suspension of the draft by January 1973.
The Democratic Chicago convention in’68 with the demonstrations and the police riot led to Humphrey losing and Nixon winning. In ‘72 Nixon won in a landslide against an anti war Democrat. It took a few more years for the war to finally end.
THINK ABOUT IT. WHO IS HELPED BY CALLING IT GENOCIDE JOE.
Thanks for your reply. I see your concern for the domestic situation and how your election will turn out, which seems to supersede in terms of concern the thousands that are being murdered in Gaza. Are you agreeing that it is NOT a genocide with your author and denying the scholarship of those that say it is. Just check out the next piece from Zeteo on the subject. Do you think it’s all a ploy to get a president you don’t want and thus murdering tens of thousands is fine.
I don’t know how to answer this. My response is that both sides are going along with killing. One side is able to do it on a bigger scale and its enemy sees this as good for their public relations. And yes, my concern is very much how this all plays out in domestic politics. In my opinion there isn’t a good option for Biden and it looks like both Netanyahu and Hamas is determined to put the USA in a losing position. I’m sorry that this will sound very callous, but Gaza is a minor issue in the total picture of the Middle East. It is tragic that the Palestinians are pawns in this big picture. It has been that way for decades.
Oct 7 was intended to bring their issue up and it did, but at their own expense. From Black September to Arafat to now Hamas in Gaza their situation has become worse. Is it all Israel’s fault? (I am not a scholar on this. Just a relatively uninformed observer, but things look like they are getting worse and worse. )
Beautiful. 100%. Your entire reply. Thank you for the conversation. And I apologize if I have caused you any distress. I’m easily triggered these days. Working on it.
I do not disagree with your last sentence. Not a fan of Biden, Stein, West, or the current worldwide economic system, which is at the heart of this issue. I also believe the protest tactics currently being employed are archaic and have not worked for a long, long time. It’s clear these old tactics only lead to more militarized and violent repression of dissent (Four dead in Ohio and Cop cities), and are ripe for manipulation by provocateurs (Home grown and foreign agents). However, I stand by my comment. And your comment, “…(The anti war protests of ‘68 gave us 8 years of Nixon. Think about it.)”, is simply incorrect. For instance, what impact did the assassination of RFK (Sr) in 68 have on the election of Nixon? How would the election of RFK (Sr) have changed the future? Probably not much, but to blame our current situation on war protesters, in 1968 and now, is just not correct, and will most likely lead to more dead in Ohio. I’m sure you have seen the latest rhetoric from Sen. Tom Cotton.
I did see the Tom Cotton comment and it is frightening. We must do whatever we can to make sure he and his side are repudiated in the next election in an overwhelming way so there is no doubt and no chance of them saying the election was stolen.
I didn’t intend to imply that the protests of ‘68 led to our situation now, just that our enemies (the Tom Cottons, Trump, and MAGA) are very real, will stir up trouble and conflict, take us off message and can win if we play into their hands by making the protest the issue and not what the protest is for. I see it now in the way the protests are covered in the media. There is little if any discussion on the issues. The right to demonstrate is what the protests are drawing attention to. So you and I agree that this tactic isn’t working and self defeating (my words). I want peace and a just world. It is hard to eat knowing so many are intentionally without food. I feel ashamed to go to sleep in a comfortable bed. How to get to a better place without continuing the cycle of violence and blaming is the very big challenge. It isn’t going to be by killing more or blaming more and calling for revenge.
Um…no. What gave us the “anti war protests of 68”? Could it be an unjust war? What was the cause of the war that was being protested in 68? Causation for Nixon, the current genocidal activities in Gaza as well as Ukraine, and humanities current, horrible situation goes way, way back in time. Think about it.
I was not talking about what was behind the protests or whether they were just or not. I was making the point that what we got after the protests, especially after the protests at the ‘68 convention was exactly what we didn’t want, 8 years of Nixon. We need to be careful not to be manipulated by those who are our real enemies into defeating the one politician with a chance to win we can work with. If Biden loses, we will have the fascist Trump, not Jill Stein or Cornell West.
The Nance piece is total garbage! The US's response to 9/11 did in fact destroy most remnants of our liberal democracy: the Patriot Act, the birth of the surveillance state, Guantanamo, Abu Graib, the torture regime, the destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan. Especially trillions of dollars paid for/wasted by US tax payers - money that could have been spent rebuilding the middle class, rescuing communities that were decimated by US corporations offshoring jobs through NAFTA - an effort that could have ameliorated the rural-urban divide and much of the righteous anger Trump has cynically weaponized. College students seem to be the only cohort who still have a strong moral compass and see US supported genocide as intolerable. campus activism played an important role in ending the horrifically immoral Vietnam war and leading the Anti-Apartheid Divestment Movement that helped bring the racist South African regime to an end.
The article highlights how historical grievances and narratives, particularly those related to the establishment of Israel and its perceived impact on the Muslim world, are exploited by figures like Osama Bin Laden to justify acts of terrorism and foster ideological support among disenfranchised groups.
- it doesnt take reading the manifesto of Osama Bin Laden to know that genocide is wrong. These students were right about Vietnam, they were right about the civil rights movements and segregation, they were right about South Africa, they were right about Iraq / Afghanistan, they were right about police brutality, and they are right about Gaza.
Also, Nance was an intelligence officer so i biased source on misinformation to start with as spreading misinformation to suit a narrative is one of his specialties. He is purposely drawing a misleading comparison to Bin Laden. Kind of like if the media propagated a NYT article about what "truly" happened on October 7th by an ex-IDF intelligence officer - oh wait, they DID THAT and continue to treat her statements as historical fact.
Social Media as a Radicalization Tool: The role of social media platforms, particularly TikTok, in disseminating extremist ideologies.
- Asking for your tuition, that these kids will have to pay through the nose of or tax dollars to not fund and arm genocide is not a "radical" ideology. Also this is one of the most well documented genocides and apartheid system with numerous human rights organizations and even the goddamn UN saying this is genocide and apartheid. Hell the ICJ is organizing arrest warrants. Are we saying they are all wrong now? wtf has happened to us?
The merging of antisemitism with legitimate political activism.
- Antizionism is not antisemitism just like anti-monarchism or being against the ideology Nation of Islam would not be islamophobic. You can also have Zionism, a right to self determination, without genocide and ethnic cleansing.
- Also, plenty of peoples were "promised land" or self-determination by the british/UN including the armenian christians and kashmiris and kurds (all victims of horrific war crimes) but only certains groups are successful because it serves British interests (hong kong, australia, egypt, israel). How this gets decided is not fair to anyone.
Regarding Nance’s post: Part 3 (‘kay, this is all for now)
“The actual victims”
Nance shows us all, that he doesn’t mind holocaust-denial, as long as the holocaust is a Nakba.
“Pro Hamas” & “Highly radicalized”
Students for Justice in Palestine. Justice. Students. Students for Justice. It is deranged, or a lie, or both, to call students for justice in Palestine, “highly radicalized” or “pro Hamas.”
“To end 248 years of American progress”
Nance hangs the end of “248 years of American progress” on those who oppose genocide. He has not a word of criticism for those who choose to perpetrate genocide, at the cost of “248 years of American progress.” Nance’s sense of entitlement is so all encompassing, that he insists that no matter what Biden does, he is owed the allegiance of those whom he betrays.
Nance’s sense of entitlement is so all encompassing, that he insists that no matter how fully Biden ignores the will of the people — no matter how antidemocratic Biden’s authoritarian dismissal of public opinion is & no matter how truly evil the action is, which Biden is enacting against the will of the people — Biden is owed an unquestioning belief that he is democracy’s protector.
If “democracy” only exists in instances where Biden thinks it should exist, and Biden is comfortable with rejecting democracy when it doesn’t serve his personal preference, THAT is not democracy.
We all know trump is catastrophic. We SHOULD all know that Biden is genocidal, and increasingly autocratic. We SHOULD all know that Biden’s DOJ kept trump viable. To use as a threat against the electorate. To give the electorate no choice but to vote for Biden. Just like last time. Just like Hillary tried to. To COERCE the electorate into a forced vote against trump, rather than a vote earned by Biden.
How is there anyone left, who has yet to notice that democracy is already in crisis?
“Misguided children”
Those “children” are the light in an inhumanly dark chapter.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
Nance can’t find any real fault with the phrase, because there is none. So he falsely accuses people of hiding a malevolent “meaning” behind explicitly virtuous words. If he ever finds someone who actually is outwardly virtuous, but inwardly malicious, then he will STILL have found that virtually NO ONE means anything other than that face-value call for freedom.
No one on decency’s side, anyway. There are countless Israelis, including in the Knesset, who follow, “From the river to the sea” with explicit calls for the extermination of Palestinians.
But Nance has no objection to explicit calls, for actual genocide, against helpless civilians, in Palestine.
Personally, I think Nance knows that. I think he’s more liar than moron. Even if zionists were exclusively Jewish — which we ALL know they’re NOT — being against a toxic, racist belief that SOME Jewish people hold, is not equivalent to being against Jewish people as a whole. For example: I think Nance knows that being against white-supremacists, is not the same as being against white people. Most white-supremacists are white, but that does not make “white-supremacists” and “white people” the same thing. I think Nance knows that MANY anti-zionists are Jewish, themselves. If he doesn’t, he certainly should. I think Nance feels entitled to bastardize and weaponize the word “antisemitism” for the same reason he feels entitled to use the borderline-disrespectful phrase “The Jews.” He is emboldened by the terrorist state of Israel.
Again with “The Jews”
Nance asserts, “The Jews have been indigenous to that land for over 3,000 years continuously, speaking the same language and practicing the same religion.” Nance wants us to believe he’s too thick to understand that 1) “some” Jewish people, is not the same as “all” Jewish people, 2) converting to Judaism is not equal to a family history of land-ownership, and 3) former ownership does not equal current ownership. It’s probably prudent to also point out the fact that the Bible is not real estate law.
“ “Indigenous Palestinians” ”
Nance’s bigotry truly shines through when he puts “indigenous Palestinians” in “quotation marks.” “Black” “man” Nance, strives to play the useful idiot — for a white-supremacist, colonial, genocidal, apartheid, terrorist-state — but he’s not “useful.” For instance: When he claims that Palestinian freedom, “would require the mass murder of 8 million Jews,” that is an assertion that’s not “useful” to ANYONE. At all.
“Broadway” & “the Bible”
Nance cites a musical, and religious text as “proof” of his irrelevant point that Roman occupiers may have called Palestine something other than Palestine. At the same time, he asserts that Jesus can’t have been Palestinian because he was Jewish. Maybe I was too quick to believe Nance wasn’t a moron, and that he was just another liar.
“Appropriating Arab culture” & “Fashion”
If Palestinians approve of that show of support for Palestinians, whom does Nance expect me to believe? More importantly, whose opinion on cultural appropriation matters most: The people whose culture Nance asserts is being appropriated, or the condescending bigot who derides that show of support as “Fashion” and spells Keffiyeh wrong more often than he spells it right?
“Fighting for their hostages”
We ALL know what’s wrong with that fake argument, don’t we? The Israeli hostages’ families certainly seem to understand. Genocidal Israel has refused to do the only thing that would free Israeli hostages; stop the genocide. Permanently. Return the Palestinian hostages, whom Israel kidnaps arbitrarily, and falsely imprisons without recourse (and has been for decades). Israel has murdered more Israeli hostages than it has rescued. Not just because of its wanton destruction & reckless savagery, but by face to face execution, while Israeli hostages pleaded with Israeli soldiers, for their lives.
“Hopes” & “Meanings”
Because Nance can’t find genuine fault, he ascribes nefarious “hopes” & malicious “meanings” to decent people, as if he is a mind-reader. As if he has an otherworldly ability to see through an innocent exterior, to a villainous soul. Like other crazed, hate-sick propagandists so often do.
Nance’s Anti-Muslim hate-propaganda attaches unlimited significance to any fear that any Jewish student who supports the genocide might feel. He attaches no significance whatsoever to actual, substantiated threats to Palestinian students, to Muslim students, to supporters of Palestine, to protesters against genocide, or to Jewish students who object to genocide. Non-genocidal students have suffered assaults, injuries, dispossession, doxing, lost job opportunities, arrests, and relentless targeting by defamatory persecutors (like Nance).
“The Jews”
If Nance weren’t advocating for genocide, he wouldn’t feel entitled to use that borderline-disrespectful phrase, but because he is a genocidal zionist, he feels entitled to disrespect Jewish people. “The Jews,” he says. As if Jewish people are a monolith. As if he has the right to speak for that supposed monolith. As if all of the many Jewish people who reject Israel’s savagery are not really Jewish.
“The Kiddies” & “the main information platform”
Condescension alone, is not an argument. Nance’s contempt is baseless, and (far from having its desired effect on THIS middle-aged woman) it just makes Nance look like an imbecile who doesn’t know his ad hominem from his elbow.
The reason Nance claims TikTok is the “main information platform” is because unlike him, people who value information don’t limit themselves to propaganda, and unlike his propaganda sources, TikTok doesn’t screen out the savagery that Israelis post themselves committing. The confessions of proudly-guilty war criminals — and the evidence that they post of their crimes — are information that everyone should take into account.
“Rapes”
Genocide-pushers just keep hammering the same lies, as if it doesn’t matter that the “rapes” they’re all so transfixed by, keep proving to be unsubstantiated. (Why can’t they find any actual victim?) How many times do they expect (decent) people to believe the same lie?
Why haven’t they found a single claim of rape that stands up to even the mildest scrutiny? Why has not even one woman made that claim? Why have all of the many, many, MANY rape accusations turned out to be tales spun by compulsive liars, about dead women, whose bodies bear no signs of rape? It has been six months! Common sense would dictate that there must have been SOME sexualized violence in any ground incursion, but Israel and its puppets just keep shovelling lies. So maybe there wasn’t. Israel’s lies just keep being debunked [in one very memorable instance, debunked by very upset family-members of a murder (but not rape) victim.] Why? Why do they lie so shamelessly? And so persistently?
Some truly terrible things were done, so why not talk about that, instead of compulsively inventing rapes, only to be proved a liar? Or lying about “40 beheaded babies” that don’t exist. Or claiming that a fetus was cut out of its mother and beheaded in front of her, only to be proved a liar? What compels Israel’s genocide-apologists to lie so consistently?
How do Israel’s propagandists expect decent people to ignore the fact that their accusations against Hamas, are all true of Israel? (Countless victims, including children, have given accounts of being raped by Israeli prison guards. Actual victims. Who came forward. Israel’s prison guards, and soldiers have been sexually assaulting men, women, and children, for decades.)
How do Israel’s propagandists expect decent people to ignore the fact that every one of their accusations against anti-genocide protesters, is true of themselves? (It is Malcom Nance, who is “steeped in propaganda,” not the protesters who rightly denounce genocide, and demand an end to it.)
This is evil beyond words..........even worse than the video footage Assange published, when the US chopper pilot followed up the first attack with a second on the people trying to rescue the injured and dying from the first onslaught. You have to be totally brainwashed to dehumanize civilians or really any combatants to devise such a cynical and inhuman strategy of playing recorded sounds of injured people to lure responders so you can kill them. it really does matter how you conduct war - these Israelis have crossed so far over the line to being enthusiastic genocidal maniacs it's beyond description.
Early in the war as the death toll of civilians was exponentially rising and after the murder I think a doctor an IDF spokesman was challenged.Actually “challenged”?is too strong a term, politely asked to explain, what at the time was called “ indiscriminate”killing. The IDF explained that because their surveillance was so superior they could protect civilians. As time went on I began to see the perverse use of their surveillance to target individuals and their families. Anyone good anyone beautiful anyone honest anything courageous was destroyed doctors journalists artists academics teachers paramedics poets writers musicians and of course every man woman and child
Thank you for this brilliantly written piece (of horrific truth) exposing the depths of the evil we're being forced to contribute to.
As clear as it is that Israel targets first-responders, aid workers, and rescuers of every type, THIS — this ensnarement of anyone and everyone who has that impulse to help their fellow human being — this still feels shocking.
It feels as though Israel has an overarching plan to try to make monsters of these extremely decent people: To use bombs to strip them of the loved ones who give them a reason to live... to use starvation to strip them of their dignity, and their strength... to use automated gunfire to strip them of their impulse to help screaming women & children.
It is clear that Israel targets decent people, but it seems that Israel wants to eradicate decency, itself.
It seems that Israel is making every effort to turn decent people into animals, so it can then say, "See, I told you they were animals."
If North Americans think this some nightmare far away, it's only a matter of time this comes to our doorstep in the form of police
Aren´t USA police already being trained in Israel and by Israelis here in the USA? Dual citizens are fighting with the IOF and military weapons are already being used here in the USA (skunk water at a protest).
How long until quadcopters are dropping tear gas or firing rubber bullets on college campuses to quell protests? How long until SWAT is sending these into homes on rubber stamped warrants?
i hoped when israel was asked about this that they have produced a drone that gives off sounds of children and women in distress that then shoots people when they come out into the open that when a israeli miltary spokesman was asked about it , that he would say "what lunacy, of course we dont have such device"...but instead he said "We do not comment on operational tools.”, makes me very uncomfortable indeed ..this is not the reassurance i needed to hear that israel was using such devices :(
Thank you for the great and excellent reporting Zeteo providing for all of us to know the truth
i am so proud to be Zeteo member.
To click “liked” or “loved” is bizarre. I often have military helicopters and drones flying over my house and I always imagine how horrible it would be to have either targeting you in an offensive attack. I despair that my government and tax dollars are being used to maim and kill innocent civilians. General and then President Eisenhower warned of the threat of the military industrial complex. His warning went unheeded and here we are so many decades later. It seems unstoppable, evil.
Difficult to read, but necessary to be informed.
The past atrocities in the world, return back with more force and higher technology, to commit more atrocities! When humanity would have enough killings, tortures, and destruction of the God given piety and love among each other!
https://open.substack.com/pub/malcolmnance/p/will-the-free-palestine-college-protests?r=kqt9l&utm_medium=ios
Malcolm Nance forgets it was also college protesters that pushed for our civil liberties to learn to write, publish and spew his special kind of nonsense
Not all protests are the same. Thanks for pointing that out.
Where is the nonsense in the Nance posts? Please flesh out your argument.
Well, take the first sentence. Had he said "Radicalized students, the ADL, and American Jews are set to do what Bernie Madoff and the Rothchilds could not – Destroy America."
Would you find that antisemitic?
i can understand many middle age and older republicans views on this , many have never been a protest in their life[its always been about themself why would they protest about others?]..and dont understand,...again, many of these see a future which might actually allow trump to get in, if the democrats are disturbed....but think on this, if we have to stop protesting, give up freedom of speech , and give massive police enforcement on anybody that wishes to speak ? then havent we entered the age of authoritarianism anyways?, maybe to a lesser extent to trump , but still liberty's are still being reduced/taken away? To some degree to stop trump, if you have to become as bad as trump and the party that supports him then perhaps america has already lost :(
Rather off topic, your link and though it carries a lot of credentials, it is hard to accept the premise that the students are tools of the jihadists. I would suggest you watch the interview with Jordan Stanley on Zeteo on the topic of demonstrations. It is on Zeteo. https://zeteo.com/p/yale-university-protests-israel-palestine. Just curious why you posted this link ?? Do you believe that any means are needed, including these horrific use of drones to kill Palestinians because they are all Hamas?
I posted this because the crisis we face is that Trump may win the next election. That the protests will be in the streets during the Democratic convention and that this is being manipulated by people who do not care a bit about Palestinians and peace.
Yes it is off topic of this post, so you can skip it. There is a very ugly war going on. There are no good sides. But if there is any hope for peace in the future it is by recognizing that the long term dangers that the manipulated protests will lead to a much worse situation than a resolution.
(The anti war protests of ‘68 gave us 8 years of Nixon. Think about it. ).
DK, you are completely misreading history - blaming Nixon's reelection on War protests. This is the cognitive error of confusing correlation with causation.
This from the International Center on Non-violent Conflict: By: Stephen Zunes and Jesse Laird
January 2010
The U.S. war in Vietnam triggered the most tenacious anti-war movement in U.S. history, beginning with the start of the bombing of North Vietnam in 1964 and the introduction of combat troops the following year. Over the next decade, hundreds of thousands of young people become radicalized in a largely nonviolent, diverse and sometimes inchoate popular culture of war resistance, employing tactics ranging from comical street theatre to industrial sabotage. Students, government officials, labor unions, church groups and middle class families increasingly opposed the war as it climaxed in 1968, forcing a gradual withdrawal of U.S. forces. Anti-war activities, particularly large-scale resistance to military conscription, forced an end U.S. combat operations in Vietnam and a suspension of the draft by January 1973.
THINK ABOUT IT!
The Democratic Chicago convention in’68 with the demonstrations and the police riot led to Humphrey losing and Nixon winning. In ‘72 Nixon won in a landslide against an anti war Democrat. It took a few more years for the war to finally end.
THINK ABOUT IT. WHO IS HELPED BY CALLING IT GENOCIDE JOE.
Thanks for your reply. I see your concern for the domestic situation and how your election will turn out, which seems to supersede in terms of concern the thousands that are being murdered in Gaza. Are you agreeing that it is NOT a genocide with your author and denying the scholarship of those that say it is. Just check out the next piece from Zeteo on the subject. Do you think it’s all a ploy to get a president you don’t want and thus murdering tens of thousands is fine.
I don’t know how to answer this. My response is that both sides are going along with killing. One side is able to do it on a bigger scale and its enemy sees this as good for their public relations. And yes, my concern is very much how this all plays out in domestic politics. In my opinion there isn’t a good option for Biden and it looks like both Netanyahu and Hamas is determined to put the USA in a losing position. I’m sorry that this will sound very callous, but Gaza is a minor issue in the total picture of the Middle East. It is tragic that the Palestinians are pawns in this big picture. It has been that way for decades.
Oct 7 was intended to bring their issue up and it did, but at their own expense. From Black September to Arafat to now Hamas in Gaza their situation has become worse. Is it all Israel’s fault? (I am not a scholar on this. Just a relatively uninformed observer, but things look like they are getting worse and worse. )
Beautiful. 100%. Your entire reply. Thank you for the conversation. And I apologize if I have caused you any distress. I’m easily triggered these days. Working on it.
I do not disagree with your last sentence. Not a fan of Biden, Stein, West, or the current worldwide economic system, which is at the heart of this issue. I also believe the protest tactics currently being employed are archaic and have not worked for a long, long time. It’s clear these old tactics only lead to more militarized and violent repression of dissent (Four dead in Ohio and Cop cities), and are ripe for manipulation by provocateurs (Home grown and foreign agents). However, I stand by my comment. And your comment, “…(The anti war protests of ‘68 gave us 8 years of Nixon. Think about it.)”, is simply incorrect. For instance, what impact did the assassination of RFK (Sr) in 68 have on the election of Nixon? How would the election of RFK (Sr) have changed the future? Probably not much, but to blame our current situation on war protesters, in 1968 and now, is just not correct, and will most likely lead to more dead in Ohio. I’m sure you have seen the latest rhetoric from Sen. Tom Cotton.
I did see the Tom Cotton comment and it is frightening. We must do whatever we can to make sure he and his side are repudiated in the next election in an overwhelming way so there is no doubt and no chance of them saying the election was stolen.
I didn’t intend to imply that the protests of ‘68 led to our situation now, just that our enemies (the Tom Cottons, Trump, and MAGA) are very real, will stir up trouble and conflict, take us off message and can win if we play into their hands by making the protest the issue and not what the protest is for. I see it now in the way the protests are covered in the media. There is little if any discussion on the issues. The right to demonstrate is what the protests are drawing attention to. So you and I agree that this tactic isn’t working and self defeating (my words). I want peace and a just world. It is hard to eat knowing so many are intentionally without food. I feel ashamed to go to sleep in a comfortable bed. How to get to a better place without continuing the cycle of violence and blaming is the very big challenge. It isn’t going to be by killing more or blaming more and calling for revenge.
Um…no. What gave us the “anti war protests of 68”? Could it be an unjust war? What was the cause of the war that was being protested in 68? Causation for Nixon, the current genocidal activities in Gaza as well as Ukraine, and humanities current, horrible situation goes way, way back in time. Think about it.
I was not talking about what was behind the protests or whether they were just or not. I was making the point that what we got after the protests, especially after the protests at the ‘68 convention was exactly what we didn’t want, 8 years of Nixon. We need to be careful not to be manipulated by those who are our real enemies into defeating the one politician with a chance to win we can work with. If Biden loses, we will have the fascist Trump, not Jill Stein or Cornell West.
The Nance piece is total garbage! The US's response to 9/11 did in fact destroy most remnants of our liberal democracy: the Patriot Act, the birth of the surveillance state, Guantanamo, Abu Graib, the torture regime, the destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan. Especially trillions of dollars paid for/wasted by US tax payers - money that could have been spent rebuilding the middle class, rescuing communities that were decimated by US corporations offshoring jobs through NAFTA - an effort that could have ameliorated the rural-urban divide and much of the righteous anger Trump has cynically weaponized. College students seem to be the only cohort who still have a strong moral compass and see US supported genocide as intolerable. campus activism played an important role in ending the horrifically immoral Vietnam war and leading the Anti-Apartheid Divestment Movement that helped bring the racist South African regime to an end.
The article highlights how historical grievances and narratives, particularly those related to the establishment of Israel and its perceived impact on the Muslim world, are exploited by figures like Osama Bin Laden to justify acts of terrorism and foster ideological support among disenfranchised groups.
- it doesnt take reading the manifesto of Osama Bin Laden to know that genocide is wrong. These students were right about Vietnam, they were right about the civil rights movements and segregation, they were right about South Africa, they were right about Iraq / Afghanistan, they were right about police brutality, and they are right about Gaza.
Also, Nance was an intelligence officer so i biased source on misinformation to start with as spreading misinformation to suit a narrative is one of his specialties. He is purposely drawing a misleading comparison to Bin Laden. Kind of like if the media propagated a NYT article about what "truly" happened on October 7th by an ex-IDF intelligence officer - oh wait, they DID THAT and continue to treat her statements as historical fact.
Social Media as a Radicalization Tool: The role of social media platforms, particularly TikTok, in disseminating extremist ideologies.
- Asking for your tuition, that these kids will have to pay through the nose of or tax dollars to not fund and arm genocide is not a "radical" ideology. Also this is one of the most well documented genocides and apartheid system with numerous human rights organizations and even the goddamn UN saying this is genocide and apartheid. Hell the ICJ is organizing arrest warrants. Are we saying they are all wrong now? wtf has happened to us?
The merging of antisemitism with legitimate political activism.
- Antizionism is not antisemitism just like anti-monarchism or being against the ideology Nation of Islam would not be islamophobic. You can also have Zionism, a right to self determination, without genocide and ethnic cleansing.
- Also, plenty of peoples were "promised land" or self-determination by the british/UN including the armenian christians and kashmiris and kurds (all victims of horrific war crimes) but only certains groups are successful because it serves British interests (hong kong, australia, egypt, israel). How this gets decided is not fair to anyone.
,asking for your tuition, which these kids will have to pay through the nose for later on in life,*
Plenty of people are zionists and are also not Jews - classic example genocide joe biden.
Regarding Nance’s post: Part 3 (‘kay, this is all for now)
“The actual victims”
Nance shows us all, that he doesn’t mind holocaust-denial, as long as the holocaust is a Nakba.
“Pro Hamas” & “Highly radicalized”
Students for Justice in Palestine. Justice. Students. Students for Justice. It is deranged, or a lie, or both, to call students for justice in Palestine, “highly radicalized” or “pro Hamas.”
“To end 248 years of American progress”
Nance hangs the end of “248 years of American progress” on those who oppose genocide. He has not a word of criticism for those who choose to perpetrate genocide, at the cost of “248 years of American progress.” Nance’s sense of entitlement is so all encompassing, that he insists that no matter what Biden does, he is owed the allegiance of those whom he betrays.
Nance’s sense of entitlement is so all encompassing, that he insists that no matter how fully Biden ignores the will of the people — no matter how antidemocratic Biden’s authoritarian dismissal of public opinion is & no matter how truly evil the action is, which Biden is enacting against the will of the people — Biden is owed an unquestioning belief that he is democracy’s protector.
If “democracy” only exists in instances where Biden thinks it should exist, and Biden is comfortable with rejecting democracy when it doesn’t serve his personal preference, THAT is not democracy.
We all know trump is catastrophic. We SHOULD all know that Biden is genocidal, and increasingly autocratic. We SHOULD all know that Biden’s DOJ kept trump viable. To use as a threat against the electorate. To give the electorate no choice but to vote for Biden. Just like last time. Just like Hillary tried to. To COERCE the electorate into a forced vote against trump, rather than a vote earned by Biden.
How is there anyone left, who has yet to notice that democracy is already in crisis?
“Misguided children”
Those “children” are the light in an inhumanly dark chapter.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
Nance can’t find any real fault with the phrase, because there is none. So he falsely accuses people of hiding a malevolent “meaning” behind explicitly virtuous words. If he ever finds someone who actually is outwardly virtuous, but inwardly malicious, then he will STILL have found that virtually NO ONE means anything other than that face-value call for freedom.
No one on decency’s side, anyway. There are countless Israelis, including in the Knesset, who follow, “From the river to the sea” with explicit calls for the extermination of Palestinians.
But Nance has no objection to explicit calls, for actual genocide, against helpless civilians, in Palestine.
BOYCOTT, DIVEST & SANCTION ISRAEL
PROSECUTE ALL WAR CRIMES
END ISRAEL’S IMPUNITY
Regarding Nance’s post: Part 2 (nearly done)
Anti-zionism is not “antisemitism”
Personally, I think Nance knows that. I think he’s more liar than moron. Even if zionists were exclusively Jewish — which we ALL know they’re NOT — being against a toxic, racist belief that SOME Jewish people hold, is not equivalent to being against Jewish people as a whole. For example: I think Nance knows that being against white-supremacists, is not the same as being against white people. Most white-supremacists are white, but that does not make “white-supremacists” and “white people” the same thing. I think Nance knows that MANY anti-zionists are Jewish, themselves. If he doesn’t, he certainly should. I think Nance feels entitled to bastardize and weaponize the word “antisemitism” for the same reason he feels entitled to use the borderline-disrespectful phrase “The Jews.” He is emboldened by the terrorist state of Israel.
Again with “The Jews”
Nance asserts, “The Jews have been indigenous to that land for over 3,000 years continuously, speaking the same language and practicing the same religion.” Nance wants us to believe he’s too thick to understand that 1) “some” Jewish people, is not the same as “all” Jewish people, 2) converting to Judaism is not equal to a family history of land-ownership, and 3) former ownership does not equal current ownership. It’s probably prudent to also point out the fact that the Bible is not real estate law.
“ “Indigenous Palestinians” ”
Nance’s bigotry truly shines through when he puts “indigenous Palestinians” in “quotation marks.” “Black” “man” Nance, strives to play the useful idiot — for a white-supremacist, colonial, genocidal, apartheid, terrorist-state — but he’s not “useful.” For instance: When he claims that Palestinian freedom, “would require the mass murder of 8 million Jews,” that is an assertion that’s not “useful” to ANYONE. At all.
“Broadway” & “the Bible”
Nance cites a musical, and religious text as “proof” of his irrelevant point that Roman occupiers may have called Palestine something other than Palestine. At the same time, he asserts that Jesus can’t have been Palestinian because he was Jewish. Maybe I was too quick to believe Nance wasn’t a moron, and that he was just another liar.
“Appropriating Arab culture” & “Fashion”
If Palestinians approve of that show of support for Palestinians, whom does Nance expect me to believe? More importantly, whose opinion on cultural appropriation matters most: The people whose culture Nance asserts is being appropriated, or the condescending bigot who derides that show of support as “Fashion” and spells Keffiyeh wrong more often than he spells it right?
“Fighting for their hostages”
We ALL know what’s wrong with that fake argument, don’t we? The Israeli hostages’ families certainly seem to understand. Genocidal Israel has refused to do the only thing that would free Israeli hostages; stop the genocide. Permanently. Return the Palestinian hostages, whom Israel kidnaps arbitrarily, and falsely imprisons without recourse (and has been for decades). Israel has murdered more Israeli hostages than it has rescued. Not just because of its wanton destruction & reckless savagery, but by face to face execution, while Israeli hostages pleaded with Israeli soldiers, for their lives.
“Hopes” & “Meanings”
Because Nance can’t find genuine fault, he ascribes nefarious “hopes” & malicious “meanings” to decent people, as if he is a mind-reader. As if he has an otherworldly ability to see through an innocent exterior, to a villainous soul. Like other crazed, hate-sick propagandists so often do.
Regarding Nance’s post: Part 1
“Antisemitism” vs. Anti-Muslim bigotry
Nance’s Anti-Muslim hate-propaganda attaches unlimited significance to any fear that any Jewish student who supports the genocide might feel. He attaches no significance whatsoever to actual, substantiated threats to Palestinian students, to Muslim students, to supporters of Palestine, to protesters against genocide, or to Jewish students who object to genocide. Non-genocidal students have suffered assaults, injuries, dispossession, doxing, lost job opportunities, arrests, and relentless targeting by defamatory persecutors (like Nance).
“The Jews”
If Nance weren’t advocating for genocide, he wouldn’t feel entitled to use that borderline-disrespectful phrase, but because he is a genocidal zionist, he feels entitled to disrespect Jewish people. “The Jews,” he says. As if Jewish people are a monolith. As if he has the right to speak for that supposed monolith. As if all of the many Jewish people who reject Israel’s savagery are not really Jewish.
“The Kiddies” & “the main information platform”
Condescension alone, is not an argument. Nance’s contempt is baseless, and (far from having its desired effect on THIS middle-aged woman) it just makes Nance look like an imbecile who doesn’t know his ad hominem from his elbow.
The reason Nance claims TikTok is the “main information platform” is because unlike him, people who value information don’t limit themselves to propaganda, and unlike his propaganda sources, TikTok doesn’t screen out the savagery that Israelis post themselves committing. The confessions of proudly-guilty war criminals — and the evidence that they post of their crimes — are information that everyone should take into account.
“Rapes”
Genocide-pushers just keep hammering the same lies, as if it doesn’t matter that the “rapes” they’re all so transfixed by, keep proving to be unsubstantiated. (Why can’t they find any actual victim?) How many times do they expect (decent) people to believe the same lie?
Why haven’t they found a single claim of rape that stands up to even the mildest scrutiny? Why has not even one woman made that claim? Why have all of the many, many, MANY rape accusations turned out to be tales spun by compulsive liars, about dead women, whose bodies bear no signs of rape? It has been six months! Common sense would dictate that there must have been SOME sexualized violence in any ground incursion, but Israel and its puppets just keep shovelling lies. So maybe there wasn’t. Israel’s lies just keep being debunked [in one very memorable instance, debunked by very upset family-members of a murder (but not rape) victim.] Why? Why do they lie so shamelessly? And so persistently?
Some truly terrible things were done, so why not talk about that, instead of compulsively inventing rapes, only to be proved a liar? Or lying about “40 beheaded babies” that don’t exist. Or claiming that a fetus was cut out of its mother and beheaded in front of her, only to be proved a liar? What compels Israel’s genocide-apologists to lie so consistently?
How do Israel’s propagandists expect decent people to ignore the fact that their accusations against Hamas, are all true of Israel? (Countless victims, including children, have given accounts of being raped by Israeli prison guards. Actual victims. Who came forward. Israel’s prison guards, and soldiers have been sexually assaulting men, women, and children, for decades.)
How do Israel’s propagandists expect decent people to ignore the fact that every one of their accusations against anti-genocide protesters, is true of themselves? (It is Malcom Nance, who is “steeped in propaganda,” not the protesters who rightly denounce genocide, and demand an end to it.)
This is evil beyond words..........even worse than the video footage Assange published, when the US chopper pilot followed up the first attack with a second on the people trying to rescue the injured and dying from the first onslaught. You have to be totally brainwashed to dehumanize civilians or really any combatants to devise such a cynical and inhuman strategy of playing recorded sounds of injured people to lure responders so you can kill them. it really does matter how you conduct war - these Israelis have crossed so far over the line to being enthusiastic genocidal maniacs it's beyond description.
Palestinians are the Guinea Pigs for U.S’s war machine technology. The real fight is between super powers. We’re just pawns in this.
https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/29/rabbis_for_ceasefire_erez_crossing
Gaza is extremely important. But will Zeteo become "all Gaza all the time"?
Early in the war as the death toll of civilians was exponentially rising and after the murder I think a doctor an IDF spokesman was challenged.Actually “challenged”?is too strong a term, politely asked to explain, what at the time was called “ indiscriminate”killing. The IDF explained that because their surveillance was so superior they could protect civilians. As time went on I began to see the perverse use of their surveillance to target individuals and their families. Anyone good anyone beautiful anyone honest anything courageous was destroyed doctors journalists artists academics teachers paramedics poets writers musicians and of course every man woman and child
And they called this racist army "defensive" IDF !!!!
How come its defensive in the middle of occupation ?????
Being an occupier put you directly on offensive position, wich makes resistance against this offensive occupier totally legal and justifiable
Thank you for this brilliantly written piece (of horrific truth) exposing the depths of the evil we're being forced to contribute to.
As clear as it is that Israel targets first-responders, aid workers, and rescuers of every type, THIS — this ensnarement of anyone and everyone who has that impulse to help their fellow human being — this still feels shocking.
It feels as though Israel has an overarching plan to try to make monsters of these extremely decent people: To use bombs to strip them of the loved ones who give them a reason to live... to use starvation to strip them of their dignity, and their strength... to use automated gunfire to strip them of their impulse to help screaming women & children.
It is clear that Israel targets decent people, but it seems that Israel wants to eradicate decency, itself.
It seems that Israel is making every effort to turn decent people into animals, so it can then say, "See, I told you they were animals."