It's not a tough one for anyone informed. Trump is a thief, a liar (over 30,000 lies catalogued while he was in office), a fascist, a bigot, an islamophobe, and numerous other terrible things.
Yes, like I said, "numerous other terrible things" ... we can't begin to catalog all of them here. In any case, the claim that it's "a tough call" between Trump and Biden is ludicrous and plainly dishonest.
I think it’s a bit ludicrous to claim that Biden is somehow better than Trump. Biden has single handed lay facilitated the genocide of our current time like no other American President before him.
It’s disingenuous to guilt people into voting for the monster that is Biden.
On an uncoordinated, incomprehensible whim, Donald Trump pulled out all of the American troops working with Yazidis, Kurds, and Syrian Christians (our ALLIES) against Erdogan, condemning tens of thousands of civilians to death and displacement.
No one intelligent, informed, honest, or decent thinks that Biden isn't better them Trump.
P.S. I have no interest in convincing ignorant fools arguing in bad faith of obvious truths. Why do these sealions think that anyone cares about convincing them of anything? It's a ridiculous game that they play--"convince me" is only meaningful when uttered by an honest person open to rational argumentation, not a fundamentally dishonest ideologue firmly determined not to change their mind ... as is the case with anyone who claims that Biden is as bad as Trump when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And the same goes for "more than two options" -- again, there is overwhelming evidence that no one other than Dem or GOP candidate can possibly win the 2024 Presidential election. Anyone claiming otherwise is flat out lying.
Saying things like “no one intelligent believes xyz” is actually not a valid argument. It’s a cheap ad hominem attack used by people who are too lazy to make an argument backed by facts.
I personally do NOT believe Biden is ANY better than Trump in morality.
If you want to convince me otherwise, you’re free to have an actual intellectual discourse on it with actual facts, and not insults. But saying it’s “unintelligent” to think so doesn’t actually make you seem very intelligent. (Shocking right?)
In any case, that’s not the actual point.. I actually feel they are both equally rotten. Not voting Trump does not mean you HAVE to vote for Biden. And the insistence that there’s only two options is what is wrong with the narrative. ( yeah there are actual “intelligent” people who have a proven record of “intelligence” who have openly declared who they are voting for and guess what?- it’s neither Trump nor Biden)
I'm not interested in a futile effort to dissuade fundamentally dishonest people from their erroneous claims.
"I actually feel"
Your feelings are a result of fundamentally irrational and dishonest processes and thus of no interest to me. And it's hilarious that you whine that my "argument" isn't valid and then put forth your "feelings".
Because we're intelligent and informed. If you're not an American and don't understand the American political system then you have no business generalizing about and criticizing Americans.
P.S. Cry harder. I did see your ridiculous response, which doesn't have the audience you imagine it does. I said *if* you're not American, which was prompted by your absurd sweeping generalization about American fixation, which makes no logical sense if you are an American, but then people blathering about 3rd parties aren't logical. The other part was about not understanding the American political system, which you clearly don't.
I have no desire to engage in discussion with people who are so willfully ignorant and are arguing in such evident bad faith. I've been there too many times and nothing is gained by it.
"Trump is a rabid racist, misogynistic moron."
And yet you repeat his false claims about Biden. You say he's a liar and yet you tell such a blatant lie as "He is also a dementia patient". You are fundamentally dishonest and that's why I blocked you.
"But for some reason people insist that those two are their only choices when in fact other parties do exist."
Of course they exist; duh. But any honest person who understands the American political system knows that their Presidential candidates cannot win--so your argument is an unintelligent strawman.
"They believe this narrative because that’s what they’re told to believe."
See, this is the same bad faith *ad hominem* that you started with. No, they believe that only Biden or Trump will be President because they aren't stupid, ignorant, and dishonest.
"Secondly, I am certain that Marc Lamont Hill is way more intelligent and informed than 99.9% of the American public. Ask him who he’s voting for. (He is just one example)"
This is pathetic cherry picking and argument from authority. But guess what? After foolishly voting for the Green Party all his life, he voted for Biden in 2020, recognizing the threat of Trump. Trump in 2024 would be vastly worse, so if he's gone back to the Greens then he's just gone back to foolishness ... but given how little you know, I wouldn't bank on who he is or isn't voting for on your say so.
"George Galloway’s landslide victory against the mainstream labour versus conservative illustrates that it can indeed be done."
Again, you don't understand the *American* political system, which is vastly different.
I find it weird that you blocked me- is it that hard to engage intelligently on a topic that you cannot tolerate someone having a different opinion to yours? Unlike you, I did not resort to calling anyone who disagrees with me names or trump myself up as “intelligent” with zero evidence.
But in any case, you won’t see this message, but I’ll post it for the benefit of people who CAN in fact view the thread because they don’t block out things that may challenge their world view/interests/ intellect:
Firstly, my entire immediate family is American and I have a very good understanding of the American political system. Secondly, I am certain that Marc Lamont Hill is way more intelligent and informed than 99.9% of the American public. Ask him who he’s voting for. (He is just one example)
Also, American politics informs world politics so the dynamics thereof is actually everybody’s business.
Biden is an immoral criminal and needs to be put behind bars at The Hague-he is unapologetically Zionist and will continue to fund the bombing and starvation of millions. He is also a dementia patient and a liar who likes to insist his son died in Iraq when in fact he died in the USA (of brain cancer) years after he was briefly in Iraq.
Trump is a rabid racist, misogynistic moron.
But for some reason people insist that those two are their only choices when in fact other parties do exist. They believe this narrative because that’s what they’re told to believe. For tangible change to happen, something actually has to change.
George Galloway’s landslide victory against the mainstream labour versus conservative illustrates that it can indeed be done.
I have heard that many people are saying 30,000 people died under Biden, and not under Trump. And second, that Biden running on the lesser of two evils misses the fact that the biggest evil has been the genocide in Gaza. See AP Press story on Michigan Muslims voting "no preference" with Dr. Omar Suliaman for more.
Should Biden be prosecuted for lintentionally lying for his comrad, thereby causing the deaths of many innocent women and children?
Do you want Trump elected?
That's a tough one. Do I want a thief or a lier elected?
It's not a tough one for anyone informed. Trump is a thief, a liar (over 30,000 lies catalogued while he was in office), a fascist, a bigot, an islamophobe, and numerous other terrible things.
Also: https://truthout.org/articles/donald-trump-s-war-crimes/
Add to that list: he’s been found libel for being a rapist & thinks it’s just dandy to grab women by their…. privates.
Yes, like I said, "numerous other terrible things" ... we can't begin to catalog all of them here. In any case, the claim that it's "a tough call" between Trump and Biden is ludicrous and plainly dishonest.
I think it’s a bit ludicrous to claim that Biden is somehow better than Trump. Biden has single handed lay facilitated the genocide of our current time like no other American President before him.
It’s disingenuous to guilt people into voting for the monster that is Biden.
Now hold on there.
On an uncoordinated, incomprehensible whim, Donald Trump pulled out all of the American troops working with Yazidis, Kurds, and Syrian Christians (our ALLIES) against Erdogan, condemning tens of thousands of civilians to death and displacement.
How does that sit with you?
No one intelligent, informed, honest, or decent thinks that Biden isn't better them Trump.
P.S. I have no interest in convincing ignorant fools arguing in bad faith of obvious truths. Why do these sealions think that anyone cares about convincing them of anything? It's a ridiculous game that they play--"convince me" is only meaningful when uttered by an honest person open to rational argumentation, not a fundamentally dishonest ideologue firmly determined not to change their mind ... as is the case with anyone who claims that Biden is as bad as Trump when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And the same goes for "more than two options" -- again, there is overwhelming evidence that no one other than Dem or GOP candidate can possibly win the 2024 Presidential election. Anyone claiming otherwise is flat out lying.
Saying things like “no one intelligent believes xyz” is actually not a valid argument. It’s a cheap ad hominem attack used by people who are too lazy to make an argument backed by facts.
I personally do NOT believe Biden is ANY better than Trump in morality.
If you want to convince me otherwise, you’re free to have an actual intellectual discourse on it with actual facts, and not insults. But saying it’s “unintelligent” to think so doesn’t actually make you seem very intelligent. (Shocking right?)
In any case, that’s not the actual point.. I actually feel they are both equally rotten. Not voting Trump does not mean you HAVE to vote for Biden. And the insistence that there’s only two options is what is wrong with the narrative. ( yeah there are actual “intelligent” people who have a proven record of “intelligence” who have openly declared who they are voting for and guess what?- it’s neither Trump nor Biden)
It's true, so it's valid.
"If you want to convince me otherwise"
I'm not interested in a futile effort to dissuade fundamentally dishonest people from their erroneous claims.
"I actually feel"
Your feelings are a result of fundamentally irrational and dishonest processes and thus of no interest to me. And it's hilarious that you whine that my "argument" isn't valid and then put forth your "feelings".
Why are American fixated on the idea that there’s only two choices?
Because we're intelligent and informed. If you're not an American and don't understand the American political system then you have no business generalizing about and criticizing Americans.
P.S. Cry harder. I did see your ridiculous response, which doesn't have the audience you imagine it does. I said *if* you're not American, which was prompted by your absurd sweeping generalization about American fixation, which makes no logical sense if you are an American, but then people blathering about 3rd parties aren't logical. The other part was about not understanding the American political system, which you clearly don't.
I have no desire to engage in discussion with people who are so willfully ignorant and are arguing in such evident bad faith. I've been there too many times and nothing is gained by it.
"Trump is a rabid racist, misogynistic moron."
And yet you repeat his false claims about Biden. You say he's a liar and yet you tell such a blatant lie as "He is also a dementia patient". You are fundamentally dishonest and that's why I blocked you.
"But for some reason people insist that those two are their only choices when in fact other parties do exist."
Of course they exist; duh. But any honest person who understands the American political system knows that their Presidential candidates cannot win--so your argument is an unintelligent strawman.
"They believe this narrative because that’s what they’re told to believe."
See, this is the same bad faith *ad hominem* that you started with. No, they believe that only Biden or Trump will be President because they aren't stupid, ignorant, and dishonest.
"Secondly, I am certain that Marc Lamont Hill is way more intelligent and informed than 99.9% of the American public. Ask him who he’s voting for. (He is just one example)"
This is pathetic cherry picking and argument from authority. But guess what? After foolishly voting for the Green Party all his life, he voted for Biden in 2020, recognizing the threat of Trump. Trump in 2024 would be vastly worse, so if he's gone back to the Greens then he's just gone back to foolishness ... but given how little you know, I wouldn't bank on who he is or isn't voting for on your say so.
"George Galloway’s landslide victory against the mainstream labour versus conservative illustrates that it can indeed be done."
Again, you don't understand the *American* political system, which is vastly different.
P.S. In re this dishonest garbage about being willing to engage, google "sealioning", e.g., https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallshepherd/2019/03/07/sealioning-is-a-common-trolling-tactic-on-social-media-what-is-it/?sh=26fb100b7a41
I have no obligation to engage in any way with anyone, and certainly not with someone who is demonstrably incapable of honesty or good faith.
I find it weird that you blocked me- is it that hard to engage intelligently on a topic that you cannot tolerate someone having a different opinion to yours? Unlike you, I did not resort to calling anyone who disagrees with me names or trump myself up as “intelligent” with zero evidence.
But in any case, you won’t see this message, but I’ll post it for the benefit of people who CAN in fact view the thread because they don’t block out things that may challenge their world view/interests/ intellect:
Firstly, my entire immediate family is American and I have a very good understanding of the American political system. Secondly, I am certain that Marc Lamont Hill is way more intelligent and informed than 99.9% of the American public. Ask him who he’s voting for. (He is just one example)
Also, American politics informs world politics so the dynamics thereof is actually everybody’s business.
Biden is an immoral criminal and needs to be put behind bars at The Hague-he is unapologetically Zionist and will continue to fund the bombing and starvation of millions. He is also a dementia patient and a liar who likes to insist his son died in Iraq when in fact he died in the USA (of brain cancer) years after he was briefly in Iraq.
Trump is a rabid racist, misogynistic moron.
But for some reason people insist that those two are their only choices when in fact other parties do exist. They believe this narrative because that’s what they’re told to believe. For tangible change to happen, something actually has to change.
George Galloway’s landslide victory against the mainstream labour versus conservative illustrates that it can indeed be done.
No I want him behind bars for the rest of his life in Iran for the premeditated murder of Qasem Soleimani
No I want him behind bars for the rest of his life in Iran for the premeditated murder of Qasem Soleimani
I have heard that many people are saying 30,000 people died under Biden, and not under Trump. And second, that Biden running on the lesser of two evils misses the fact that the biggest evil has been the genocide in Gaza. See AP Press story on Michigan Muslims voting "no preference" with Dr. Omar Suliaman for more.