So sorry I decided to read the comments after Kat's excellent video. Kat did a wonderful job, as usual, of skewering Snopes and those who argue in bad faith over semantics.
The comments section, however, seems to feature a number of equally bad faith arguments - along the same lines of the ones I heard just before Donald Trump unbelievably won the Presidency in 2016. Even my dyed-in-the-wool, life-long Republican husband has changed his tune, yet people are still spouting the same idiocy about Jill Stein. Instead of "her emails," we have Biden supposedly fueling genocide. I would say rather that he's done the bare minimum to stop the genocide - as have most of our Presidents since Gaza was walled off. If he loses, however, we stand to see far worse, both in Gaza/West Bank AND the US. I am appalled that so many people have not learned since 2016.
The FACTS — that Trump is a racist, sexist, classist, fascist criminal, and that Project 2025 is a threat to the US & the world — are indisputable (by any honest person).
It is EQUALLY indisputable (by any honest person) that Biden is fuelling a genocide.
It is beyond bad faith, to pretend that the snarky use of “supposedly” somehow rebuts:
• Trafficking arms to a genocidal regime while it bombs Gaza more heavily than the US bombed Hiroshima
• Using veto power to protect that genocidal regime from a global consensus that rejects its savagery
• Obstructing every attempt to bring that genocidal regime to international justice
FAR beyond bad faith. It’s denial. Genocide-denial.
It is NOT OKAY that people use one monster as an excuse to LIE about the other.
If you can’t make an argument to vote for Biden, without LYING about him, you will NEVER convince honest people.
I wish we could just accept that not everyone is gonna vote the same way we do. There are people who can't stomach a vote for Biden given his role in Israeli genocide, I respect that, people have to make their own choices.
This shitty system forces us into these choices and then we turn on each other. It's crazy. If I can't change the system at least I can not participate in the craziness.
I don't consider the FACT that our foreign policy is NOT Biden's sole province to be tantamount to "lying" about his support of Israel. Our foreign policy is crafted by MANY people-and Biden is one of them. Do you truly believe that his word is the last on any US action?
I do not agree with his insistence on continuing arms shipments. I do not agree with the US actions at the UN. I also do not believe that anything is likely to get solved - or even EASED - if Biden is not re-elected.
We face two choices this November. It is both as simple and as complex as that. I can condemn Biden's actions vis a vis Israel while I still support voting for him because the alternative would lead to the cessation of democracy. Period.
The objective truth is that there is nothing that could be worse for the Palestinians then what has already happened - and Biden has been leading the charge from day 1
Excellent idea! I have, in the past, voted for third party candidates whose views were closer to my own. I did so knowing that the two major party candidates were roughly equivalent, however. I could not, in this atmosphere, do the same now regardless of how stellar a third party candidate might be.
I get it. In the past I felt like I really needed to love my candidate since they represented *me.* Now I view voting more utilitarian. It’s like choosing bus routes: I pick which of the two options will get me closest to where I want to be.
Love Kat's reporting, always fun and thoroughly researched. As much as Trump is an existential threat to democracy in the US, it is difficult to cast a vote for Biden who is fueling a genocide in Palestine. Can't waver against Nazis though!
Yes, I do remember when the convicted tRUMP praised them and also I will not forget when Joenocide Biden gave a bear hug to the ZioNOTZ with his unconditional support which has resulted in the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Lets not overlook that the lesser of two EVILS is still an EVIL
Jill got approx. 1% of the vote in 2016. Note that, typically, independent candidates get around 1% and less, and no electoral votes. So, while an independent vote is a heartfelt one, or one of valid protest, it doesn't amount to anything. In this election it actually helps Donald Trump.
In essence, this is probably the worst year to vote independent.
To those brainwashed people who still want to vote for Trump, may I say "you deserve all that you get!"
You may think it's all a fun game now; but just wait, you won't be laughing for long. You have been warned. As somebody else once said, "vote for Trump and you get a civil war, vote for BIden and you get a world war." A Hobson's choice indeed.
When we are faced with a choice between a convicted felon and a genocide enabler, I will not legitimize this Oligarchy and corrupted system with my vote.
Good for you! My sentiments exactly. And for all the dems who have called me a trumper because I have posted similar comments, they can all kiss off! 95% of politicians are disgustingly, murderously corrupt, including BOTH of the vile narcissists running for president in the major parties. One just goes without saying, but I also refuse to vote for the other one that I voted for last time. Don't like it, dems? Either put up a decent candidate or keep crying.
Well the Democrats might just find out how sick of their bullshit we really are come November. No citizen is obligated to vote for any candidate, no matter what Geno Joe, Hillary or village idiot James Carville say. They force a shitty candidate out there, not even having primaries in many states, then say we have to vote for Biden because the other guy is worse (which I agree with.) Then they call us stupid and ahistorical if we don't vote for Biden. Way to get us on your side, idjits. Sick of it.
Nobody can convince me my vote counts anyway, but don't get me wrong, I do vote. I live in a solid blue state in what I believe is the most liberal state in the US. So with my vote, the dem gets 3 electoral votes. Without it, well you know.
Neither candidate can be so easily dismissed. Trump is not only a convicted felon. Biden is not only a genocide enabler. Look at these guys, side by side, compare their words and deeds, and Biden comes out looking like a person genuinely concerned about our country and the welfare of its citizens while Trump comes out looking like a horse's ass. Tell me I'm wrong.
Absolutely correct when comparing the two but we need to keep in mind that the lesser of two EVIL is still an EVIL person. So why do we, the American people, must put up with such choices? Don't we deserve better? Shouldn't we demand for better?
Mehdi, I respect what you are doing, but I don't live in the US, and I don't want to be involved indirectly in campaigning for or against ANY presidential candidate. Regretfully, I shall terminate my subscription to Zeteo, at least until this prolonged election campaign is over.
I still remember everything about Charlottesville! Thats why it is offensive and immensely F up when more and more democrats and their allies in the media are saying pro Palestinian protesters are the same as these Nazis back then!
Yikes, people! I didn’t think her video was a pep rally for Biden. She was arguing that the public has conveniently forgotten Trump’s statement about “good people”.
So sorry I decided to read the comments after Kat's excellent video. Kat did a wonderful job, as usual, of skewering Snopes and those who argue in bad faith over semantics.
The comments section, however, seems to feature a number of equally bad faith arguments - along the same lines of the ones I heard just before Donald Trump unbelievably won the Presidency in 2016. Even my dyed-in-the-wool, life-long Republican husband has changed his tune, yet people are still spouting the same idiocy about Jill Stein. Instead of "her emails," we have Biden supposedly fueling genocide. I would say rather that he's done the bare minimum to stop the genocide - as have most of our Presidents since Gaza was walled off. If he loses, however, we stand to see far worse, both in Gaza/West Bank AND the US. I am appalled that so many people have not learned since 2016.
The FACTS — that Trump is a racist, sexist, classist, fascist criminal, and that Project 2025 is a threat to the US & the world — are indisputable (by any honest person).
It is EQUALLY indisputable (by any honest person) that Biden is fuelling a genocide.
It is beyond bad faith, to pretend that the snarky use of “supposedly” somehow rebuts:
• Trafficking arms to a genocidal regime while it bombs Gaza more heavily than the US bombed Hiroshima
• Using veto power to protect that genocidal regime from a global consensus that rejects its savagery
• Obstructing every attempt to bring that genocidal regime to international justice
FAR beyond bad faith. It’s denial. Genocide-denial.
It is NOT OKAY that people use one monster as an excuse to LIE about the other.
If you can’t make an argument to vote for Biden, without LYING about him, you will NEVER convince honest people.
I agree with all your criticisms of Biden and yet I am still voting for him.
I totally get that. These are effed up times.
I wish we could just accept that not everyone is gonna vote the same way we do. There are people who can't stomach a vote for Biden given his role in Israeli genocide, I respect that, people have to make their own choices.
Thank you. I have thought long and hard and I'm still thinking every day. I would never criticize someone for making the rough decision either way.
This shitty system forces us into these choices and then we turn on each other. It's crazy. If I can't change the system at least I can not participate in the craziness.
I don't consider the FACT that our foreign policy is NOT Biden's sole province to be tantamount to "lying" about his support of Israel. Our foreign policy is crafted by MANY people-and Biden is one of them. Do you truly believe that his word is the last on any US action?
I do not agree with his insistence on continuing arms shipments. I do not agree with the US actions at the UN. I also do not believe that anything is likely to get solved - or even EASED - if Biden is not re-elected.
We face two choices this November. It is both as simple and as complex as that. I can condemn Biden's actions vis a vis Israel while I still support voting for him because the alternative would lead to the cessation of democracy. Period.
The objective truth is that there is nothing that could be worse for the Palestinians then what has already happened - and Biden has been leading the charge from day 1
Nothing can be worse? How do you know this? Of course things can always get worse.
Maybe Kat should cover why third party candidates can’t make 270 electoral votes and why we call them spoiler candidates.
Excellent idea! I have, in the past, voted for third party candidates whose views were closer to my own. I did so knowing that the two major party candidates were roughly equivalent, however. I could not, in this atmosphere, do the same now regardless of how stellar a third party candidate might be.
I get it. In the past I felt like I really needed to love my candidate since they represented *me.* Now I view voting more utilitarian. It’s like choosing bus routes: I pick which of the two options will get me closest to where I want to be.
Exactly! <3
Parker Molloy had a smart take as well - https://www.readtpa.com/p/trumps-very-fine-people-remark-snopes
Thank you for the link, I *love* Parker Malloy's writing!
Sure thing!
Awesome post!
Maybe cover how abortions “exceptions” are fake and don’t actually help anyone but give cover for stupid dangerous policies.
Love Kat's reporting, always fun and thoroughly researched. As much as Trump is an existential threat to democracy in the US, it is difficult to cast a vote for Biden who is fueling a genocide in Palestine. Can't waver against Nazis though!
Yes, I do remember when the convicted tRUMP praised them and also I will not forget when Joenocide Biden gave a bear hug to the ZioNOTZ with his unconditional support which has resulted in the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Lets not overlook that the lesser of two EVILS is still an EVIL
I agree with you that Biden is less evil.
Me and about 40,000 people marched in Boston to condemn that comment. Of course we all know what the mob boss meant!
She is brilliant and fearless, love her !!!
I remember. I won't forget. I will not be voting Biden or Trump. There is hope in #JillStein2024
Jill got approx. 1% of the vote in 2016. Note that, typically, independent candidates get around 1% and less, and no electoral votes. So, while an independent vote is a heartfelt one, or one of valid protest, it doesn't amount to anything. In this election it actually helps Donald Trump.
In essence, this is probably the worst year to vote independent.
To those brainwashed people who still want to vote for Trump, may I say "you deserve all that you get!"
You may think it's all a fun game now; but just wait, you won't be laughing for long. You have been warned. As somebody else once said, "vote for Trump and you get a civil war, vote for BIden and you get a world war." A Hobson's choice indeed.
Couldn't agree more.
When we are faced with a choice between a convicted felon and a genocide enabler, I will not legitimize this Oligarchy and corrupted system with my vote.
Good for you! My sentiments exactly. And for all the dems who have called me a trumper because I have posted similar comments, they can all kiss off! 95% of politicians are disgustingly, murderously corrupt, including BOTH of the vile narcissists running for president in the major parties. One just goes without saying, but I also refuse to vote for the other one that I voted for last time. Don't like it, dems? Either put up a decent candidate or keep crying.
Well, thanks for voting for Biden last time, I did appreciate not having a second term of Trump.
Well the Democrats might just find out how sick of their bullshit we really are come November. No citizen is obligated to vote for any candidate, no matter what Geno Joe, Hillary or village idiot James Carville say. They force a shitty candidate out there, not even having primaries in many states, then say we have to vote for Biden because the other guy is worse (which I agree with.) Then they call us stupid and ahistorical if we don't vote for Biden. Way to get us on your side, idjits. Sick of it.
Nobody can convince me my vote counts anyway, but don't get me wrong, I do vote. I live in a solid blue state in what I believe is the most liberal state in the US. So with my vote, the dem gets 3 electoral votes. Without it, well you know.
They have divided us for not two cultish tribe and expect us to put our head down and follow. I am finally got to a point of enough is enough
Neither candidate can be so easily dismissed. Trump is not only a convicted felon. Biden is not only a genocide enabler. Look at these guys, side by side, compare their words and deeds, and Biden comes out looking like a person genuinely concerned about our country and the welfare of its citizens while Trump comes out looking like a horse's ass. Tell me I'm wrong.
Absolutely correct when comparing the two but we need to keep in mind that the lesser of two EVIL is still an EVIL person. So why do we, the American people, must put up with such choices? Don't we deserve better? Shouldn't we demand for better?
All one needs to do is look at the policies promoted by #45's Senior Advisor Stephen Miller.
Well-said. I can understand wanting to get the quote exact, but now we have to pretend the quote doesn't mean what it means?
Mehdi, I respect what you are doing, but I don't live in the US, and I don't want to be involved indirectly in campaigning for or against ANY presidential candidate. Regretfully, I shall terminate my subscription to Zeteo, at least until this prolonged election campaign is over.
Sophistry 101
I still remember everything about Charlottesville! Thats why it is offensive and immensely F up when more and more democrats and their allies in the media are saying pro Palestinian protesters are the same as these Nazis back then!
Snipes is not to be trusted anymore.
They “very fine people” comment is taken out of context. Read Sam Harris’ article about it here: https://open.substack.com/pub/samharris/p/the-lie-that-will-not-die?r=rywjy&utm_medium=ios
Yikes, people! I didn’t think her video was a pep rally for Biden. She was arguing that the public has conveniently forgotten Trump’s statement about “good people”.