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Lisa's avatar

The FACTS — that Trump is a racist, sexist, classist, fascist criminal, and that Project 2025 is a threat to the US & the world — are indisputable (by any honest person).

It is EQUALLY indisputable (by any honest person) that Biden is fuelling a genocide.

It is beyond bad faith, to pretend that the snarky use of “supposedly” somehow rebuts:

• Trafficking arms to a genocidal regime while it bombs Gaza more heavily than the US bombed Hiroshima

• Using veto power to protect that genocidal regime from a global consensus that rejects its savagery

• Obstructing every attempt to bring that genocidal regime to international justice

FAR beyond bad faith. It’s denial. Genocide-denial.

It is NOT OKAY that people use one monster as an excuse to LIE about the other.

If you can’t make an argument to vote for Biden, without LYING about him, you will NEVER convince honest people.

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SteveB's avatar

I agree with all your criticisms of Biden and yet I am still voting for him.

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William Dennett's avatar

I totally get that. These are effed up times.

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SteveB's avatar

I wish we could just accept that not everyone is gonna vote the same way we do. There are people who can't stomach a vote for Biden given his role in Israeli genocide, I respect that, people have to make their own choices.

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William Dennett's avatar

Thank you. I have thought long and hard and I'm still thinking every day. I would never criticize someone for making the rough decision either way.

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SteveB's avatar

This shitty system forces us into these choices and then we turn on each other. It's crazy. If I can't change the system at least I can not participate in the craziness.

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William Dennett's avatar

I hope for better times for all of us.

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nkrempa's avatar

I don't consider the FACT that our foreign policy is NOT Biden's sole province to be tantamount to "lying" about his support of Israel. Our foreign policy is crafted by MANY people-and Biden is one of them. Do you truly believe that his word is the last on any US action?

I do not agree with his insistence on continuing arms shipments. I do not agree with the US actions at the UN. I also do not believe that anything is likely to get solved - or even EASED - if Biden is not re-elected.

We face two choices this November. It is both as simple and as complex as that. I can condemn Biden's actions vis a vis Israel while I still support voting for him because the alternative would lead to the cessation of democracy. Period.

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KnoBrainer's avatar

The objective truth is that there is nothing that could be worse for the Palestinians then what has already happened - and Biden has been leading the charge from day 1

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SteveB's avatar

Nothing can be worse? How do you know this? Of course things can always get worse.

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