DNC shouldn't have supported a Genocide. This is DNC FAULT. NO ONE ELSE. don't blame Waltz, Kamla. This is establishment DNC looking after donors and PAC MONEY. making them super unpopular with the base. DNC should leane their lesson. if they are smart... But when old folk like Clinton and Biden control policy You have no hope
Nope. The Dems made the wrong moral choice by genociding their people, their loved ones, their family and friends. But lovely to see the mask come off to expose the latent anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia lurking just beneath the surface waiting to erupt as it did with this comment.
Once it became clear that team blue was going to lose, it was only a matter of time before the masks came off the 'vote blue no matter who' crew. In many ways, they're the mirror image of the bigoted MAGA fascists, only capable of pointing fingers and blaming anyone and everyone.
This specimen of asininity that I've been having this exchange with exposes the sheer hubris of the Dems. The belief that they're 'entitled' to the votes of the minorities (as if we're somehow hostages of team blue) rather than having to earn it. And the moment the going gets tough, the mask comes off (as he himself said, Arabs and Muslims are now on their own). Way to drive them further away from your party!
Over the past two decades, Arab and Muslim Americans have gradually come to realise that neither party really gives a damn about them or their concerns. This was excerbated by the unequivocal support that the US has given to Israel over the past year. They knew full well that they're in a lose lose situation when the choice is Trump and Harris. And they chose to lose with dignity by booting out the administration that's perpetrated a genocide against their loved ones, their friends, their family members, their people in Palestine and Lebanon. Even if it means more hardship for them in the US - because they know full well that regardless of who came into the White House in January, Netanyahu wins and the Palestinians/Lebanese lose.
1. I think Arabs and Muslims are full human beings.
2. Thus, they have free will.
3. These morons (and all who didn’t vote to keep Trump out) made the wrong moral choice.
4. Ergo: fuck them.
You get it now or do you need finger puppets?
I’m presuming the Republicans’ll keep the House, too. We’ll see.
No big deal. Trump will make physics great again and carbon will just instantly become super awesome!
The best part is that he and the entire GOP have no solutions to real problems, so when the failures mount, a whole metric fuckload of internal and external enemies will be needed for blame. An endless fuckload, in fact. I’m sure none of them will be Arab or Muslim. He loves them!
Luckily we’ll have nice new heavily staffed concentration camps lying around for housing subhuman pet-eating rapists before expulsion. Why not increase ROI? Put the traitorous vermin in there till a more permanent solution can be found.
After all, effectively total immunity plus unlimited pardoning power—along with the popular vote and as close to a landslide-mandate as you can get nowadays—leaves him stymied.
Doug Tarnopol, you assert that they made the "wrong moral choice" according to Doug Tarnopol's definition of morality, which you haven't defined. So it's pretty simple not to agree with you on the basis of a crass and incomplete argument.
Then she trotted Bill Clinton out in Michigan to tell Arab Americans that they don't know their own history because European jews were in the middle east first therefore they have the right to slaughter their relatives.
Doug, you must be pretty new to this issue. Right-wing Israelis and American Jews and Christian Evangelicals have been plotting for this for decades. Trump is just the latest iteration of the entire effort, not the entire cause. If you plan to keep gloating over the profound suffering of people who are profoundly powerless against this stunningly callous ideological amalgamation of power and interests, then I hope you also apply your cruel framework to ALL the voters who voted for Trump and the GOP, per your claim in another post. The suffering of the Palestinians has been going on long before this issue then became such a tangled but spectacular capture of our American democracy and economy. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it. All they wanted was freedom and the ability to have a normal life. They "fought" with the little that they had against global funding of a strange religious/ideological effort that was kicking them out of their homes. And puh-leez, if you're gonna start pointing to the Crusades as a way to justify Zionism like Ben Shapiro, then get your ass out of the Dark Ages. Zionism is a product of the Modern Age. We can't selectively go back in time to the Middle Ages. Americans were told the Palestinians were inherently evil against a group who survived the Holocaust, not knowing that these "terrorists" were just innocent bystanders to a colossal industrial genocide committed by the Germans. Fast fwd to 2024, the Germans - colluding with all the descendants of true antisemites (e.g., the English who wanted Jews out of the UK or Americans who wouldn't let Jews find asylum in America from the Holocaust) - would do anything they could to lay the blame of their spectacular acts of inhumanity on other people altogether. So, Doug - pile on. Your cruel calculus just adds up to "Might makes Right," so why bother being on these comment boards? You're cheering for cruelty. Just tell everyone to accept the terms of conquest - Reason and Humanity be damned.
Been involved for years. There is no excuse for voting for worse—and for a fascist monster who will destroy the future via carbon. Spew all you like: anyone who didn’t vote for Harris is a fucking moron AND immoral. Anyone. 😘
Fuck the sanctimonious Libs for not paying attention to what Progressives have been saying for years. This is absolutely in the hands of Centrist Dems. Sure, MOST PEOPLE are clueless about policy - MOST people have not gone to college in this country, and with FAILING K-12 public education, then what do you expect out of most people's critical reasoning skills for macro-level public policies? Then the burden is on the messenger(s). And Harris/Walz, as well as their strategists, did not come up with the right messaging - AGAIN. Do you know these people who religiously follow Heather Cox Richardson? I'm not saying she isn't a great history professor. She is. But her line has been "Save Democracy" and all her followers think they are "in the know" and that's been the mantra. This is the problem of having a college-level history professor guide messaging. She is so disconnected from the Reality of what most working class people are about. There was no socio-cultural way for these people to listen to someone like Kamala Harris and believe her, unless she approached with a communication style that expressed genuine empathy for their plight. She is far too urbane and sophisticated. People who don't have more training for their critical reasoning skills only "hear" socio-cultural signaling. They don't "hear" ideas the way those who have a lot of reading skills respond to ideas. Trump is very successful with the socio-cultural signaling - that's why it doesn't matter "what" he says as much as the "how." And then actual ideas can be embraced or dismissed at any moment. B/c their currency isn't ideas at all. It's style. Anyone with more sophisticated social science training would be able to discern this. And then study what Bernie was able to achieve. Part of it comes from his style - he is gruff, he speaks with an accent, he wears boots, he is disheveled in his appearance, he's from farmer Vermont land, etc. Harris/Walz had hope, but then they went and hugged the Cheneys, snubbed the Michigan Arab-American community so publicly in favor of grocery prices, wouldn't embrace Jewish Voice for Peace, even, and then said "we're saving Democracy." These things are not even on the radar of most working class people. And don't forget- these are the classes of people who turn to the Military as their institutional route of upward mobility. They are not interested in the Cheneys returning to power. While they might want access to the Military for that upward mobility, the last thing they want is to see combat and die. And they don't want to be fighting "someone else's" war. So think about who those "someones" might be for them. Just saying. When you examine the pieces, it's possible to see that these people acted in their own self interest. And that is the bargain we make with Democracy - that everyone votes on their own self interest, and the principal of mutuality brings us all into some kind of "middle" or "compromise" of action. So. Here we are. Trump.
Well, my friend, I’m glad, so glad that you all have taught the “Dems” a lesson. Really good stuff.
Sadly, however we will now see what a real despot and authoritarian is able to do to Gaza and the rest of the Middle East. “Just get it over with, BiBi … and do it fast.” Another early victim will be NATO and aided by his companion Vlad, the UN will become a voiceless vacuum.
Domestically, kiss goodbye all environmental protections. Workplace and job safety will disappear. Unions will become toothless, meaningless nothings. Wages will fall and his policy of imposing huge tariffs on imports will mean skyrocketing costs. Goodbye: the Affordable Care Act, Social Security and worker safety watchdogs. A universal ban on abortions will be imposed and women will die, American History will see anything that makes white children uncomfortable banned, LGBTQ rights will be expunged and American citizens will be encouraged to report on their fellows. The religious right will be salivating with their asinine belief in the rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.
So, forgive me, but I have to explore ways to get my friends to hell and gone out of Gaza before January 6. I don’t have a clue how to do that, but I sure am going to try.
And you feel justified in placing all of THAT on HIS head. For saying, "Genocide is bad."
Where tf is your condemnation of the genocidally racist, Republicans-in-Democrat-drag, who:
• Very intentionally OBSTRUCTED PROSECUTION of the traitorous terrorist-leader, whose latest campaign was FACILITATED by Joe Biden & his pet AG,
• Very intentionally COLLAPSED the "INTERNATIONAL RULES-BASED ORDER," in their unrelenting zeal to commit the worst crime known to man,
• ENDORSED the FAR RIGHT GOONS of just 25 years ago, by slobbering over their endorsements, campaigning with them, and presenting themselves as old-school-Republicans,
• and then shat in the faces of their base, telling them, "YOU HAVE NO CHOICE?"
Where tf is your condemnation of the people who ARE to blame?
Where tf is your condemnation of the people who engineered a race between two genocidally racist Republican parties?
Where tf is your condemnation of the people who VERY INTENTIONALLY bridged Trump's first & second push?
If you have friends in Gaza, why the HELL haven't you ALREADY been trying to get them out?
Try to get a grip on whom your enemy IS, and whom your enemy is NOT.
Genocide IS bad. Maybe THINK about how gaslit you've been, that you were driven to ARGUE with that truth, DUMP on the speaker of that truth, and say NOTHING to condemn the PERPETRATORS of that CRIME.
Absolutely. I think Liz Cheney did more harm than good. Her father was the nail in the coffin. DIck Cheney was called Darth Vader by Democrats FFS. He is seen as the Torture King. He is not a popular guy even in his own party. Adam K. could have stayed out of it too, but he seems so much like a Democrat himself he probably didn't hurt anything. And then to mention GW Bush - are you kidding me!!! He is hated by Democrats. No way should any of those people have been courted by Democrats. It just shows how out of touch her campaign was with actual Democrats, progressives and liberals. Those people are her party, not a bunch of conservatives. But she didn't seem to know that. And her finger wagging at the Palestinian protesters was another nail in her coffin. You don't do that to protesters if you are a Democrat. That's a Trump move.
Well, I hope that makes you feel good. Right now the US gun lobby is popping champaign corks and the military industrial complex is delirious with joy. You, R Shelli have helped bring madness to the US of A, so you just salve your soul with idiotic statements like the above.
?? Are you blaming Democrats for not liking Republican policies in their Democratic candidates? We all voted for her. She didn't win because she had major flaws in her campaign and Biden hovering over the whole thing.
It is definitely not our fault. Her campaign had serious problems, Biden and his terrible foreign policy being a huge one. I don't know if you voted for her or not, but I did, and so did my whole family, and in the end it was her campaign the lost the race, not us.
Horrible. My point was Harris would have done better if she would have seemed more progressive to her actual base. Many in her base abandoned her because she was hanging around with Republicans and 2) she embraced Biden's policy on Gaza. HUGE mistakes. Democratic women did not want to see her hanging out with Liz Cheney, or any Republicans. Really avoidable disaster, if she had stuck with her party's Democratic values instead of embracing so many Republicans. Do you think Black men wanted to see the leader of the Democratic Party holding hands with Liz fracking' Cheney?
The closer to the election the more damage and destruction in Gaza , I believe Biden was purposely helping Kamala lose , I did see Kamala and DNC purposely ignored the Arab people and their concerns , She disrespected and dismissed them at every turn and opportunity .
Well, that’s just so much BS. Trump is a violent, aggressive monster. He told Netanyahu to, “just get it done [in Gaza] … and do it fast.” He is absolutely in favour of war if it can benefit him. My God, he’s always talking about beating up someone or some group. Just watch him. He is an ardent supporter of the wealthy forces of the military industrial complex. He’s a psychopath and death and destruction gives form to his messianic proclivities. He feels nothing and has NO empathy.
Trumps celebration speech said he will end wars. He can be completely lying that's true. But somehow most people think he will end it. Trumps corrupt and crude sure. But he's not a war monger like DNC.
Trump is a psychopath and you are a fool. Not only does Trump not care about Gaza, he is incapable of caring about Gaza. Welcome to the new world order you wanted, MM because you will have to live with it, now.
I disagree that Elon won it for Trump but he sure helped But Democrats seem to run bad campaigns lately and her campaign was just not good enough. Her embrace of Israel's wars was a massive mistake.
Harris was in a damned if you do and damned if you don’t position. So she didn’t and lost.
I understand the unhappiness in the Muslim community but now we and they have Trump. We’ll all get to see what happens here and in Europe, Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic States,Taiwan etc etc. and without doubt Israel will go on without hindrance. Jared will likely get his beachside condos in Gaza and maybe Trump his hotel in Moscow. Not a good outcome for America.
We just elected least thoughtful president and vice president in history whose four years may destroy democracy and the lives of gay people, African Americans, women, Jews, Latinos, Haitians and Muslims as well as undermine science, the environment, public education, and the separation of church and state. And we’ll all get to watch.
Yep every vote counted and in the end we all did this.
Biden would have lost worse, but of course his VP wasn't going to win either. She could not break with her own administration. Democrats should have seen that coming.
Don’t kid yourself they love it. Probably half or more of Trump’s support come from the christian right. All those ministers preaching vote for Trump and the Catholic Church benignly supporting evil tied are together by the abortion issue. Meanwhile evangelicals and other “true believers” a significant part of this group believe in the bat-shit crazy notion of the rapture and they need Jews in Israel to facilitate it. Yes, people really really believe this stuff.
Our talking in tongues current Speaker of the House is one of those true believers. And these folks are all in on Israel existing and dominating the Middle East. Not good for Jews, for the Muslim people in the area and not good for America.
Nonsense, what they don’t understand ins that the VP has no control over foreign policy and very little involvement in domestic policy. We actually have no idea what a Oresident Harris would have done - none.
Actually She said in a speech , She had a voice in every important issue and would not do anything different , Biden helped her lose by his unhinged inhumane actions in Gaza and She hurt herself by standing next to him
It was her choice , She said she was involved with Biden decisions , sending 2 -3 thousand lb bombs to drop on cloth tents with women and children , burning to death , She also said She would not do anything different than Biden . This is what she showed herself , if they say it out loud without shame or humanity, You should believe them
Boy oh boy you really fixed her……… and the Palestinian people. Not perfect by any means she was a better choice for America and the Palestinian people— my opinion of her as a person compared to what’s his name. And now we’ll all get to see what happens.
Natenysi## will play her worst than he did Biden , played them like servants , sending billions in cash and weapons , Disrespecting them and US at every opportunity , send military to protect and fight for them. , wonder What they had on Biden or his son to make him into a weak leader,, We lost Nothing except we will not have to see Biden , blinking and their cronies , they will be in the dust pan of history
Fuck those idiots for voting for Trump.
DNC shouldn't have supported a Genocide. This is DNC FAULT. NO ONE ELSE. don't blame Waltz, Kamla. This is establishment DNC looking after donors and PAC MONEY. making them super unpopular with the base. DNC should leane their lesson. if they are smart... But when old folk like Clinton and Biden control policy You have no hope
See, I think Arabs and Muslims are full human beings. Thus, they have free will. These morons made the wrong moral choice. Ergo: fuck them.
Pretty simple.
Nope. The Dems made the wrong moral choice by genociding their people, their loved ones, their family and friends. But lovely to see the mask come off to expose the latent anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia lurking just beneath the surface waiting to erupt as it did with this comment.
Don't you love it when losers like Doug reveal themselves to be misogynist pigs by calling women cunts?
Once it became clear that team blue was going to lose, it was only a matter of time before the masks came off the 'vote blue no matter who' crew. In many ways, they're the mirror image of the bigoted MAGA fascists, only capable of pointing fingers and blaming anyone and everyone.
This specimen of asininity that I've been having this exchange with exposes the sheer hubris of the Dems. The belief that they're 'entitled' to the votes of the minorities (as if we're somehow hostages of team blue) rather than having to earn it. And the moment the going gets tough, the mask comes off (as he himself said, Arabs and Muslims are now on their own). Way to drive them further away from your party!
Over the past two decades, Arab and Muslim Americans have gradually come to realise that neither party really gives a damn about them or their concerns. This was excerbated by the unequivocal support that the US has given to Israel over the past year. They knew full well that they're in a lose lose situation when the choice is Trump and Harris. And they chose to lose with dignity by booting out the administration that's perpetrated a genocide against their loved ones, their friends, their family members, their people in Palestine and Lebanon. Even if it means more hardship for them in the US - because they know full well that regardless of who came into the White House in January, Netanyahu wins and the Palestinians/Lebanese lose.
a loser indeed
It’s the exact opposite, you stupid cunt.
Keep the ad hominems coming pal! That's all you lot are capable of, bury your heads in the sand and blame everyone else.
See if you can follow this:
1. I think Arabs and Muslims are full human beings.
2. Thus, they have free will.
3. These morons (and all who didn’t vote to keep Trump out) made the wrong moral choice.
4. Ergo: fuck them.
You get it now or do you need finger puppets?
I’m presuming the Republicans’ll keep the House, too. We’ll see.
No big deal. Trump will make physics great again and carbon will just instantly become super awesome!
The best part is that he and the entire GOP have no solutions to real problems, so when the failures mount, a whole metric fuckload of internal and external enemies will be needed for blame. An endless fuckload, in fact. I’m sure none of them will be Arab or Muslim. He loves them!
Luckily we’ll have nice new heavily staffed concentration camps lying around for housing subhuman pet-eating rapists before expulsion. Why not increase ROI? Put the traitorous vermin in there till a more permanent solution can be found.
After all, effectively total immunity plus unlimited pardoning power—along with the popular vote and as close to a landslide-mandate as you can get nowadays—leaves him stymied.
We should be just fine.
Doug Tarnopol, you assert that they made the "wrong moral choice" according to Doug Tarnopol's definition of morality, which you haven't defined. So it's pretty simple not to agree with you on the basis of a crass and incomplete argument.
Then she trotted Bill Clinton out in Michigan to tell Arab Americans that they don't know their own history because European jews were in the middle east first therefore they have the right to slaughter their relatives.
Look at the wonderful future Trump will bring the Palestinians!
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-israel-annexation
That ought to show the Democrats!
You guys are political *geniuses*!
Trump win means ‘time has come’ to annex parts of West Bank, Israeli minister says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/11/israel-iran-war-news-gaza-palestine-lebanon/
So smart!
Doug, you must be pretty new to this issue. Right-wing Israelis and American Jews and Christian Evangelicals have been plotting for this for decades. Trump is just the latest iteration of the entire effort, not the entire cause. If you plan to keep gloating over the profound suffering of people who are profoundly powerless against this stunningly callous ideological amalgamation of power and interests, then I hope you also apply your cruel framework to ALL the voters who voted for Trump and the GOP, per your claim in another post. The suffering of the Palestinians has been going on long before this issue then became such a tangled but spectacular capture of our American democracy and economy. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it. All they wanted was freedom and the ability to have a normal life. They "fought" with the little that they had against global funding of a strange religious/ideological effort that was kicking them out of their homes. And puh-leez, if you're gonna start pointing to the Crusades as a way to justify Zionism like Ben Shapiro, then get your ass out of the Dark Ages. Zionism is a product of the Modern Age. We can't selectively go back in time to the Middle Ages. Americans were told the Palestinians were inherently evil against a group who survived the Holocaust, not knowing that these "terrorists" were just innocent bystanders to a colossal industrial genocide committed by the Germans. Fast fwd to 2024, the Germans - colluding with all the descendants of true antisemites (e.g., the English who wanted Jews out of the UK or Americans who wouldn't let Jews find asylum in America from the Holocaust) - would do anything they could to lay the blame of their spectacular acts of inhumanity on other people altogether. So, Doug - pile on. Your cruel calculus just adds up to "Might makes Right," so why bother being on these comment boards? You're cheering for cruelty. Just tell everyone to accept the terms of conquest - Reason and Humanity be damned.
Been involved for years. There is no excuse for voting for worse—and for a fascist monster who will destroy the future via carbon. Spew all you like: anyone who didn’t vote for Harris is a fucking moron AND immoral. Anyone. 😘
https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-white-house-staff-huckabee-f51121db5b18814bbab014e872c2a736
The hits keep coming!
And: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/project-2025-israel-heritage-gaza-palestine-protest-trump
Super smart!
Fuck the sanctimonious Libs for not paying attention to what Progressives have been saying for years. This is absolutely in the hands of Centrist Dems. Sure, MOST PEOPLE are clueless about policy - MOST people have not gone to college in this country, and with FAILING K-12 public education, then what do you expect out of most people's critical reasoning skills for macro-level public policies? Then the burden is on the messenger(s). And Harris/Walz, as well as their strategists, did not come up with the right messaging - AGAIN. Do you know these people who religiously follow Heather Cox Richardson? I'm not saying she isn't a great history professor. She is. But her line has been "Save Democracy" and all her followers think they are "in the know" and that's been the mantra. This is the problem of having a college-level history professor guide messaging. She is so disconnected from the Reality of what most working class people are about. There was no socio-cultural way for these people to listen to someone like Kamala Harris and believe her, unless she approached with a communication style that expressed genuine empathy for their plight. She is far too urbane and sophisticated. People who don't have more training for their critical reasoning skills only "hear" socio-cultural signaling. They don't "hear" ideas the way those who have a lot of reading skills respond to ideas. Trump is very successful with the socio-cultural signaling - that's why it doesn't matter "what" he says as much as the "how." And then actual ideas can be embraced or dismissed at any moment. B/c their currency isn't ideas at all. It's style. Anyone with more sophisticated social science training would be able to discern this. And then study what Bernie was able to achieve. Part of it comes from his style - he is gruff, he speaks with an accent, he wears boots, he is disheveled in his appearance, he's from farmer Vermont land, etc. Harris/Walz had hope, but then they went and hugged the Cheneys, snubbed the Michigan Arab-American community so publicly in favor of grocery prices, wouldn't embrace Jewish Voice for Peace, even, and then said "we're saving Democracy." These things are not even on the radar of most working class people. And don't forget- these are the classes of people who turn to the Military as their institutional route of upward mobility. They are not interested in the Cheneys returning to power. While they might want access to the Military for that upward mobility, the last thing they want is to see combat and die. And they don't want to be fighting "someone else's" war. So think about who those "someones" might be for them. Just saying. When you examine the pieces, it's possible to see that these people acted in their own self interest. And that is the bargain we make with Democracy - that everyone votes on their own self interest, and the principal of mutuality brings us all into some kind of "middle" or "compromise" of action. So. Here we are. Trump.
Trump win means ‘time has come’ to annex parts of West Bank, Israeli minister says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/11/israel-iran-war-news-gaza-palestine-lebanon/
Bearing fruit already! Are they partying in Dearborn?
Great coverage Mehdi and team - really appreciate you all helping us manage our nausea 🤒
Genocide is bad karma, sums it up.
Well, my friend, I’m glad, so glad that you all have taught the “Dems” a lesson. Really good stuff.
Sadly, however we will now see what a real despot and authoritarian is able to do to Gaza and the rest of the Middle East. “Just get it over with, BiBi … and do it fast.” Another early victim will be NATO and aided by his companion Vlad, the UN will become a voiceless vacuum.
Domestically, kiss goodbye all environmental protections. Workplace and job safety will disappear. Unions will become toothless, meaningless nothings. Wages will fall and his policy of imposing huge tariffs on imports will mean skyrocketing costs. Goodbye: the Affordable Care Act, Social Security and worker safety watchdogs. A universal ban on abortions will be imposed and women will die, American History will see anything that makes white children uncomfortable banned, LGBTQ rights will be expunged and American citizens will be encouraged to report on their fellows. The religious right will be salivating with their asinine belief in the rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.
So, forgive me, but I have to explore ways to get my friends to hell and gone out of Gaza before January 6. I don’t have a clue how to do that, but I sure am going to try.
And you feel justified in placing all of THAT on HIS head. For saying, "Genocide is bad."
Where tf is your condemnation of the genocidally racist, Republicans-in-Democrat-drag, who:
• Very intentionally OBSTRUCTED PROSECUTION of the traitorous terrorist-leader, whose latest campaign was FACILITATED by Joe Biden & his pet AG,
• Very intentionally COLLAPSED the "INTERNATIONAL RULES-BASED ORDER," in their unrelenting zeal to commit the worst crime known to man,
• ENDORSED the FAR RIGHT GOONS of just 25 years ago, by slobbering over their endorsements, campaigning with them, and presenting themselves as old-school-Republicans,
• and then shat in the faces of their base, telling them, "YOU HAVE NO CHOICE?"
Where tf is your condemnation of the people who ARE to blame?
Where tf is your condemnation of the people who engineered a race between two genocidally racist Republican parties?
Where tf is your condemnation of the people who VERY INTENTIONALLY bridged Trump's first & second push?
If you have friends in Gaza, why the HELL haven't you ALREADY been trying to get them out?
Try to get a grip on whom your enemy IS, and whom your enemy is NOT.
Genocide IS bad. Maybe THINK about how gaslit you've been, that you were driven to ARGUE with that truth, DUMP on the speaker of that truth, and say NOTHING to condemn the PERPETRATORS of that CRIME.
💔
YES. So does doing a genocide.
Liz Cheney, war criminal Dick Cheney, supporting genocide, torture and the military industrial complex hurt democrats.
Absolutely. I think Liz Cheney did more harm than good. Her father was the nail in the coffin. DIck Cheney was called Darth Vader by Democrats FFS. He is seen as the Torture King. He is not a popular guy even in his own party. Adam K. could have stayed out of it too, but he seems so much like a Democrat himself he probably didn't hurt anything. And then to mention GW Bush - are you kidding me!!! He is hated by Democrats. No way should any of those people have been courted by Democrats. It just shows how out of touch her campaign was with actual Democrats, progressives and liberals. Those people are her party, not a bunch of conservatives. But she didn't seem to know that. And her finger wagging at the Palestinian protesters was another nail in her coffin. You don't do that to protesters if you are a Democrat. That's a Trump move.
Well, I hope that makes you feel good. Right now the US gun lobby is popping champaign corks and the military industrial complex is delirious with joy. You, R Shelli have helped bring madness to the US of A, so you just salve your soul with idiotic statements like the above.
?? Are you blaming Democrats for not liking Republican policies in their Democratic candidates? We all voted for her. She didn't win because she had major flaws in her campaign and Biden hovering over the whole thing.
Sure Doug, it's all my fault for stating facts
It is definitely not our fault. Her campaign had serious problems, Biden and his terrible foreign policy being a huge one. I don't know if you voted for her or not, but I did, and so did my whole family, and in the end it was her campaign the lost the race, not us.
Good talk but yes, Liz Cheney is not who progressives wanted to see on a stage at the DNC, instead of a Palestinian woman who deserved to be there.
Too many Republicans, overall, in Harris's campaign. I'm sure that turned off a lot of liberals.
Well, Trump now has all three houses and a corrupt SCOTUS. How do progressives feel about that?
Horrible. My point was Harris would have done better if she would have seemed more progressive to her actual base. Many in her base abandoned her because she was hanging around with Republicans and 2) she embraced Biden's policy on Gaza. HUGE mistakes. Democratic women did not want to see her hanging out with Liz Cheney, or any Republicans. Really avoidable disaster, if she had stuck with her party's Democratic values instead of embracing so many Republicans. Do you think Black men wanted to see the leader of the Democratic Party holding hands with Liz fracking' Cheney?
The closer to the election the more damage and destruction in Gaza , I believe Biden was purposely helping Kamala lose , I did see Kamala and DNC purposely ignored the Arab people and their concerns , She disrespected and dismissed them at every turn and opportunity .
Maybe the culture has something to do with half of America preferring to be controlled by a spiteful idiot.
No other country in the world would want that sort of obvious dangerous fool in power.
There's the gun culture, The fast food culture. junk food will change the way you think.
The digital culture,
Musk just won the election for trump.
No Dude. DNC lost this. Trump won by being anti war.
Well, that’s just so much BS. Trump is a violent, aggressive monster. He told Netanyahu to, “just get it done [in Gaza] … and do it fast.” He is absolutely in favour of war if it can benefit him. My God, he’s always talking about beating up someone or some group. Just watch him. He is an ardent supporter of the wealthy forces of the military industrial complex. He’s a psychopath and death and destruction gives form to his messianic proclivities. He feels nothing and has NO empathy.
Trumps celebration speech said he will end wars. He can be completely lying that's true. But somehow most people think he will end it. Trumps corrupt and crude sure. But he's not a war monger like DNC.
Trump is a psychopath and you are a fool. Not only does Trump not care about Gaza, he is incapable of caring about Gaza. Welcome to the new world order you wanted, MM because you will have to live with it, now.
That's all true but he convinced voters of it, and that's all that matters. Harris seemed far too pro-gun and pro-war.
He's not anti-war in fact, but yeah, convincing people of that really helped him.
I disagree that Elon won it for Trump but he sure helped But Democrats seem to run bad campaigns lately and her campaign was just not good enough. Her embrace of Israel's wars was a massive mistake.
We all saw this coming, right?
Harris was in a damned if you do and damned if you don’t position. So she didn’t and lost.
I understand the unhappiness in the Muslim community but now we and they have Trump. We’ll all get to see what happens here and in Europe, Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic States,Taiwan etc etc. and without doubt Israel will go on without hindrance. Jared will likely get his beachside condos in Gaza and maybe Trump his hotel in Moscow. Not a good outcome for America.
We just elected least thoughtful president and vice president in history whose four years may destroy democracy and the lives of gay people, African Americans, women, Jews, Latinos, Haitians and Muslims as well as undermine science, the environment, public education, and the separation of church and state. And we’ll all get to watch.
Yep every vote counted and in the end we all did this.
She just could not separate herself from Biden.
Biden would have lost worse, but of course his VP wasn't going to win either. She could not break with her own administration. Democrats should have seen that coming.
Asked to choose between the Rapist and the Prosecutor America chose the former because…?
Welcome to the corporate States of America
MM
I can’t help thinking that every time I saw a Trump supporter interviewed
I saw a profoundly stupid individual explaining rubbish
Someone not even capable of thinking of anything much
Let alone Israel
Honest question: does the Uncommitted Movement see this as a win?
They love it.
wow… fuck
Id say most of the people who voted for Trump
Wouldn't be aware of the Gaza Holocaust
Of course they were aware of it. it's all over social media. It's everywhere.
Don’t kid yourself they love it. Probably half or more of Trump’s support come from the christian right. All those ministers preaching vote for Trump and the Catholic Church benignly supporting evil tied are together by the abortion issue. Meanwhile evangelicals and other “true believers” a significant part of this group believe in the bat-shit crazy notion of the rapture and they need Jews in Israel to facilitate it. Yes, people really really believe this stuff.
Our talking in tongues current Speaker of the House is one of those true believers. And these folks are all in on Israel existing and dominating the Middle East. Not good for Jews, for the Muslim people in the area and not good for America.
It’s All in Gods Hands
Nonsense, what they don’t understand ins that the VP has no control over foreign policy and very little involvement in domestic policy. We actually have no idea what a Oresident Harris would have done - none.
Actually She said in a speech , She had a voice in every important issue and would not do anything different , Biden helped her lose by his unhinged inhumane actions in Gaza and She hurt herself by standing next to him
She had no choice. It was her own administration. She was literally stuck there.
It was her choice , She said she was involved with Biden decisions , sending 2 -3 thousand lb bombs to drop on cloth tents with women and children , burning to death , She also said She would not do anything different than Biden . This is what she showed herself , if they say it out loud without shame or humanity, You should believe them
Boy oh boy you really fixed her……… and the Palestinian people. Not perfect by any means she was a better choice for America and the Palestinian people— my opinion of her as a person compared to what’s his name. And now we’ll all get to see what happens.
Natenysi## will play her worst than he did Biden , played them like servants , sending billions in cash and weapons , Disrespecting them and US at every opportunity , send military to protect and fight for them. , wonder What they had on Biden or his son to make him into a weak leader,, We lost Nothing except we will not have to see Biden , blinking and their cronies , they will be in the dust pan of history