You ever seen The Sorrow and The Pity, about the Nazi occupation of France? The people who were in the resistance are interviewed, none of them have anything very sophisticated to say beyond "I wanted the Germans out of my country", but the people who stood by and did nothing, or even aided the occupiers, oh boy do they have some sophisticated arguments to make.
You ever seen The Sorrow and The Pity, about the Nazi occupation of France? The people who were in the resistance are interviewed, none of them have anything very sophisticated to say beyond "I wanted the Germans out of my country", but the people who stood by and did nothing, or even aided the occupiers, oh boy do they have some sophisticated arguments to make.
Steve, with all due respect, I don’t need to see a holocaust documentary to understand the Holocaust. I lost 75% of my family to the Nazi’s and Russians, something you’ll never understand and hopefully never experience.
Secondly, you seem to think you’re on the right side of history, yet you have no conception of history, and conflate actions of individual men with the state of Israel, at a time of great mass confusion, a genocide and years of conflict in Palestine.
I, like many Jews do not believe the Israeli response was required. Netanyahu is sending Israel down a rabbit hole, which will only make matters worse for all parties, and only intensify future conflicts.
Many of us believe in a two state solution, and would like to handover Netanyahu and his cohorts to the ICC for crimes against humanity. The treatment of the Palestinians in the territories is inhumane.
I’ve actually been fighting through the J Street, which is a Jewish PAC that supports a two-state solution and is the antithesis of AIPAC. I have family in Israel fighting for Palestinian rights. What are you doing except criticizing people in a comment section? Exactly!
Furthermore, you believe Iran, where women are beaten to death for not wearing a hijab is far more democratic nation than Israel? It’s this stupidity, and your compete ignorance of the region that makes people like you dangerous.
I’ve lived in Beirut, Tel Aviv, Morocco, Tunisia and traveled to Jordan, Egypt and the UAE on business for weeks and months at a time. I listen to different viewpoints all the time, and my opinions evolve over time. I judge each individual event separately, rather than conflating decades and centuries of pain experienced by all parties. What’s your experience and understanding of the issues? You read a few newsletters and documentaries?
And you actually think watching a documentary makes you an expert, and gives you all the answers? I’ve listened to your nonsense as much as I’m willing to put up with.
What’s interesting is that in your comments you manage to say a lot of things, yet nothing worthwhile; all at the same time. A difficult feat, indeed!
So continue with your useless rants and ridiculous nonsense, I really couldn’t care less!
Robert McNamara was a brilliant man, well-read, well-travelled, conversant with all the experts on Southeast Asia. He knew far more and had much more sophisticated ideas than the students who were chanting "Hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today?"
Looking back on it now, who was wrong and who was right?
(Now let's all watch Robert deliberately misinterpret this as "He's saying Israel=Vietnam! That's just CRAZY TALK!")
George Schultz, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State was much more widely read, more widely travelled, more generally knowledgeable about the world than the college students in their encampments demanding divestment from Apartheid South Africa. Schultz had many sophisticated arguments for why the students demands were unrealistic and even hurtful to the people they claimed to be helping.
It's not a documentary about the Holocaust, it's a documentary about the occupation of France (although the Holocaust does feature in it, with regard to Jews shipped from France for extermination.)
And my point, which you're repeatedly (maybe deliberately?) missing is that "My analysis is sophisticated and yours is not" is not quite the devastating put-down you seem to think it is. Throughout history, people have always had "sophisticated" arguments for why we can do no more than to accommodate evil. that any fundamental change based on admittedly simple moral principles is impractical and even impossible. Usually these people are wrong, I can supply other examples if you're interested, but I'm guessing you're not.
If you’re accusing me of standing by or being complicit, think again. You’re as much a bystander as I am. And I never defended Netanyahu or his policies. I’ve been extremely critical of him, and his tin-foil hat religious wing-nut government; even before this war.
As far as I’m concerned, this invasion is and was a mistake, especially Rafah. Netanyahu is heading Israel down a rabbit hole; the same revenge tour w conducted after 9/11. And the total damage still incalculable.
That said, I take issue with this whole idea that the state of Israel itself is illegitimate and a colonialist experiment or project. The entire ME was divided by the West. Are you suggesting all the gulf and Sunni governments relinquish their control and leave? Or what is your solution? I actually haven’t heard anything come from your comments except criticism of me. No actual refuting of the facts.
And you are naive, because you don’t understand the complexities of the region; if you did, you’d be actually providing evidence that I’m wrong.
So don’t expect me to respond to your next comment. I’d rather focus my time on finding solutions to this tragedy, instead of having to defend Jewry against a bush of anti-Semitic individuals (not suggesting your are one) who think Gaza is worse than Iraq, or worse than any of the other genocides taking place in the ME, Africa and Central Asia, as we speak.
Hey, whatever you think of my comments, you really should watch The Sorrow And The Pity, it's generally considered to be a masterpiece, one of the greatest documentaries ever made.
One of the things I learned from it is that people who cooperate with evil always have their reasons, and those reasons usually start with "It's complicated..."
You ever seen The Sorrow and The Pity, about the Nazi occupation of France? The people who were in the resistance are interviewed, none of them have anything very sophisticated to say beyond "I wanted the Germans out of my country", but the people who stood by and did nothing, or even aided the occupiers, oh boy do they have some sophisticated arguments to make.
Steve, with all due respect, I don’t need to see a holocaust documentary to understand the Holocaust. I lost 75% of my family to the Nazi’s and Russians, something you’ll never understand and hopefully never experience.
Secondly, you seem to think you’re on the right side of history, yet you have no conception of history, and conflate actions of individual men with the state of Israel, at a time of great mass confusion, a genocide and years of conflict in Palestine.
I, like many Jews do not believe the Israeli response was required. Netanyahu is sending Israel down a rabbit hole, which will only make matters worse for all parties, and only intensify future conflicts.
Many of us believe in a two state solution, and would like to handover Netanyahu and his cohorts to the ICC for crimes against humanity. The treatment of the Palestinians in the territories is inhumane.
I’ve actually been fighting through the J Street, which is a Jewish PAC that supports a two-state solution and is the antithesis of AIPAC. I have family in Israel fighting for Palestinian rights. What are you doing except criticizing people in a comment section? Exactly!
Furthermore, you believe Iran, where women are beaten to death for not wearing a hijab is far more democratic nation than Israel? It’s this stupidity, and your compete ignorance of the region that makes people like you dangerous.
I’ve lived in Beirut, Tel Aviv, Morocco, Tunisia and traveled to Jordan, Egypt and the UAE on business for weeks and months at a time. I listen to different viewpoints all the time, and my opinions evolve over time. I judge each individual event separately, rather than conflating decades and centuries of pain experienced by all parties. What’s your experience and understanding of the issues? You read a few newsletters and documentaries?
And you actually think watching a documentary makes you an expert, and gives you all the answers? I’ve listened to your nonsense as much as I’m willing to put up with.
What’s interesting is that in your comments you manage to say a lot of things, yet nothing worthwhile; all at the same time. A difficult feat, indeed!
So continue with your useless rants and ridiculous nonsense, I really couldn’t care less!
Robert McNamara was a brilliant man, well-read, well-travelled, conversant with all the experts on Southeast Asia. He knew far more and had much more sophisticated ideas than the students who were chanting "Hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today?"
Looking back on it now, who was wrong and who was right?
(Now let's all watch Robert deliberately misinterpret this as "He's saying Israel=Vietnam! That's just CRAZY TALK!")
George Schultz, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State was much more widely read, more widely travelled, more generally knowledgeable about the world than the college students in their encampments demanding divestment from Apartheid South Africa. Schultz had many sophisticated arguments for why the students demands were unrealistic and even hurtful to the people they claimed to be helping.
Looking back on it now, who was right?
It's not a documentary about the Holocaust, it's a documentary about the occupation of France (although the Holocaust does feature in it, with regard to Jews shipped from France for extermination.)
And my point, which you're repeatedly (maybe deliberately?) missing is that "My analysis is sophisticated and yours is not" is not quite the devastating put-down you seem to think it is. Throughout history, people have always had "sophisticated" arguments for why we can do no more than to accommodate evil. that any fundamental change based on admittedly simple moral principles is impractical and even impossible. Usually these people are wrong, I can supply other examples if you're interested, but I'm guessing you're not.
Steve, while I respect your opinions, you’re being naive….:)
Ha, that's what that French police chief said!
Pot-kettle, Steve?
If you’re accusing me of standing by or being complicit, think again. You’re as much a bystander as I am. And I never defended Netanyahu or his policies. I’ve been extremely critical of him, and his tin-foil hat religious wing-nut government; even before this war.
As far as I’m concerned, this invasion is and was a mistake, especially Rafah. Netanyahu is heading Israel down a rabbit hole; the same revenge tour w conducted after 9/11. And the total damage still incalculable.
That said, I take issue with this whole idea that the state of Israel itself is illegitimate and a colonialist experiment or project. The entire ME was divided by the West. Are you suggesting all the gulf and Sunni governments relinquish their control and leave? Or what is your solution? I actually haven’t heard anything come from your comments except criticism of me. No actual refuting of the facts.
And you are naive, because you don’t understand the complexities of the region; if you did, you’d be actually providing evidence that I’m wrong.
So don’t expect me to respond to your next comment. I’d rather focus my time on finding solutions to this tragedy, instead of having to defend Jewry against a bush of anti-Semitic individuals (not suggesting your are one) who think Gaza is worse than Iraq, or worse than any of the other genocides taking place in the ME, Africa and Central Asia, as we speak.
Have a good evening Steve!
Hey, whatever you think of my comments, you really should watch The Sorrow And The Pity, it's generally considered to be a masterpiece, one of the greatest documentaries ever made.
One of the things I learned from it is that people who cooperate with evil always have their reasons, and those reasons usually start with "It's complicated..."