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Ijaz mian's avatar

Biden has already done harm to Ghaza worth BILLIONS dollars of weapons

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NLTownie's avatar

Yes. And... what? Biden's not going to be President come January 2025. And he's been trying to put together a ceasefire... a permanent ceasefire. But Netanyahu doesn't want an end to the war. He wants an end to Gaza and he wants the territory for Israel. So do a large number of Israel's hard right citizens and some American land developers. So...... what? As I said, stopping the shipment of American weapons to Israel won't stop the war. It won't stop the genocide. So what is your plan after that? You don't have one because there isn't one.... except the likelihood of a larger conflict breaking out between Israel and one or more of Israel's sworn enemies in the region.

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Rossini  Silveira's avatar

The collective DNC silence on the issue of Gaza, and the active silencing of protesters demanding a ceasefire, is to us on the outside, the rest of the 7-8 billion citizens of this planet, complicity in this crime of Genocide.

To the 50-100 of Palestinians men, women and children being slaughtered every day, whilst the USA navel gazes between Trump or Harris, it does not make a difference to them if the US bombs being dropped on them are sanctioned by a Biden-Harris government or a Trump government. They will die.

The gaping flaw in your argument is “stopping the shipment of American weapons to Israel won't stop the war”. IT WILL!! Israel does not have an infinite arms supply. Ronald Reagan stopped Israel’s carnage in Lebanon in 1982, with a phone call to Menachem Begin.

The other flaw in the USA Democracy is that either way – Republican or Democrat, you are all beholden to your funders - the pro-Israel lobby, and the Arms Manufacturers who make billions from these wars that the USA fuels (Gaza, Ukraine….and many more). These funds are what the Obamas are worried about too.

STOP MAKING YOUR ELECTIONS ALL ABOUT MONEY!! Many countries have a cap on how much money every party can spend on election campaigns.

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Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

Well you can thank the republicans for that. The only way to get money out of politics is to overrule Citizens United. The only way to do that is to elect a democratic president and senate. I agree with you that the only reason that we support Israel unconditionally is because of money in politics. The only way to change that is to elect democrats. No quick fix here which is devastating. Biden is working towards a ceasefire and Harris supports that. Both oppose Israel taking over Gaza.. The hell that the people of Gaza are living through will only get worse if Trump is elected

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NLTownie's avatar

I understand the passion that people have to try to do everything you can to end that hell on earth. It is horrific and yet you can't turn away. Genocide in our time is a mark of shame on the human race. We are all morally responsible yet there is so little we can do to stop it. I am heartened that so many feel compelled to give of their time and resources to demonstrate, to witness and to oppose. I think it is wrong and shameful for the DNC to refuse to let a Palestinian speak.

But refusing to vote for Harris only makes a bad situation worse. It does not help Palestinians. It does not save lives or stop the war. It is self-indulgent. It could cause great harm and it accomplishes nothing except to make oneself feel better even though that feeling is nothing but an illusion. Doing all you can to prevent Trump from winning is the only meaningful action any American can take at this moment. That's not what you want to hear but it is the truth. Harris doesn't control the agenda, the DNC or the country yet. There is a good possibility she can and will take action on stopping the war once elected, maybe even before she takes office. Voting for Harris could be part of the solution if not the entire solution. Right now, there is no meaningful alternate. Halting the supply of weapons to Israel worked before but that is no guarantee it will work again. The support structures for Israel are stronger and wealthier now. The war would continue. The killing would continue. The suffering would continue and Trump could be President with all else that would bring. Don't turn you back and deny the power of your vote. It is not what your heart demands but it is what Palestinians need.

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