After the National Guard shooting, the US needs to reckon with how its legacy of global violence inevitably comes home. Stephen Miller wants to do anything but.
Trump did deploy the National Guard…armed with rakes. The Guards mission was apparently just to stand around making them sitting ducks. It has been reported that Trump had been told the deployment put the lives of the National Guard at risk.
The national guard had no business being in DC in the first place; let's address that lawless action by trump. Make no mistake,a lot of the blame here is his.
But all national guard members should just GO HOME now!
Rank and file National Guardsmen, far and away, don't have the experience or the rank or the knowledge to know the difference between an illegal order of the type we're talking about here and a bad order that may or may not be illegal. In fact, we don't know ourselves because it's still tied up in the courts. I think most of us have a moral compass that tell us all these things are being done for wrong reasons but that doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal, necessarily. These kids are between a rock and a hard place. Their senior career non-coms and their experienced, career officers are different story. We need to, and I believe we will, start seeing some of them step forward and set the example these green kids need to see. However, it's the duty of any serviceman do his/her dead level best to find a way they can carry out their superiors orders but, sometimes you run out of options and have to make a stand one way or the other. Mr. Trump and Mr. Hegseth, If allowed to continue as they are now, will see the gradual erosion of morale, discipline and a moral compass, pervasive across all our armed forces. If SECDEF Hegseth is still around a year from now and things have not improved but have continued to regress in this fashion, he simply won't understand. Then he'll look for somebody to blame.
Rank and file national guard members are 18,or older. That means they are old enough to vote, enter a legal contract and should know better. We are talking about common sense and decency. If that is absent,then the accountability will fall on that guardsman; it's a graduate course in the school of hard knocks.
The writer makes important points here, in particular that sometime things - even though there are a great many shades of gray to consider throughout - boils down to a black and white decision in the School of Hard Knocks. We're all, at the same time, both students & alumni of this School. A bullet to the head is one heck of a hard knock and the young National Guardsmen who died a few days ago graduated from the School the only way any of us can.
She was 20 years old, old enough to enter into a contract and to vote and to join the National Guard and to swear an oath to the Constitution, an oath she was in the process of upholding. Interestingly enough though, she was not considered mature enough to have a glass of wine with dinner at a nice restaurant or to go into popular bar to hear live music and have a beer with buddies. And based on all that I've read about her, she seemed to be noted by others to deserve high marks in both common sense and decency. And she was, indeed, accountable for her decision to follow a bad, but lawful order which her oath obligated her to do, even though she told friends and family she wished she wasn't being sent to Washington DC as she thought all the chaos and ICE raids, etc., were wrong. Her rank was in the lower range of specialists, hers being something akin to a medic, a first responder. I'm sure she knew knew that her skills and training might possibly be needed there and I'm equally sure she was willing to provide them. In fact, as it turned out, they were needed badly. Because she was accountable for her decisions and because of the graduate course she was taking at the the School of Hard Knocks, however, she was unable to be to be that first responder.
Hoo boy. I hadn't read about the accusations of America employing child soldiers before. It really boggles the mind how anybody within the "national security"/"defense" establishment can claim any moral high ground.
Yes. 15 years old. I remember what I was thinking and doing when I was 15 and I bet you do too. Then, imagine If he was one of our classmates pulled out, never for us to see again. His world changed in an instant, from whatever teenage boys we're doing in his country that roughly correlated to what the same age boys were doing in ours. What his World abruptly changed to was one of long periods of time and solitude in completely darkened rooms not even a tiny sliver of light coming under the door, no sounds no sight. Sometimes a bowl with a little food and a 2 liter bottle water would be slid in through a black port in the door, no light, no sound other than that of a tray sliding across the black concrete floor. Other times, there would be no food or water for several days. This went on for anywhere from 6 weeks to 2 or 3 months. Then he would be pulled out abruptly, a pair of sunglasses put on him, examined and treated by a doctor, cleaned up and afforded for a while daily visits from a psychologist and hours and hours and hours of intensive frightening, intermittent interrogation. If he made it past this point and got the nods from the medical doctor, the psychologist and his interrogators, he would have made it through the initial induction stage.
Your empathy was showing in your comment. And thank God, there's still some of us that can experience that emotion. Because I could tell in your comment that you cared, that's why I wrote down what I did, and because I felt that you would be strong enough to hear it. Thank you for having an open heart and for caring.
It's definitely Langley's culture. I mean even "Weird Al" Yankovic called them out (in my favorite parody of his, to be perfectly honest)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI
Whoever pulled the trigger that fired the rounds into the bodies, so tragically, of these two very promising, National Guardsmen, it was President Donald J. Trump who aimed the weapon. This is not hyperbole. As their C-in-C, he ordered them into harm's way in a place where they we're not needed and not wanted. The purpose? To add luster to the chaos, disruption, terror, fear, anger and animosity that primarily ICE & CBP were creating in the populace. And the motive? Mr. Trump's personal political gain and sense of feeling powerful.
Now let's look at the primary person of interest they have in custody, who is of Afghan origin. With new information about what this man did for CIA, his age when he started and the nature of the training he most likely would have received from CIA, a picture is emerging that we haven't seen before in recent times, at least I'm not aware of it if we have. But I have personal experience and personal knowledge that can add, I think, to our understanding.
This young man, according to reporting, would have started training with or for a zero squad at around age 15. I know generally, but not specifically what some of that training would have entailed, some of it "in kind" is used in training our own troops to make them better and more willing killers in combat. When made fully active, he did what he did, it would appear for a long time, especially for this kind of work.
How much decompression and orientation he may or not have received, I don't know either, but probably some, somehow. But one thing I can almost guarantee you he didn't receive, given the circumstances and nature of his arrival in the US, is deprogramming. Assuming he didn't, he was likely a ticking time bomb. Do all such individuals go on to kill erratically and irrationally? No. What percentage do? I don't have that number either. One thing I can tell you, though, as can psychologists and sociologists who are experts in this "field", the probability is very much increased and the unpredictability is dramatic.
Thank you, Spencer, and you do remember who created the Taliban in Afghanistan to get the Soviets out. General Zia, who was brought in and murdered Bhutto, who was eliminated along with Gen Wassom and others in a C-130 so-called accident, our list is a long one, which may include Dag Hammarskjöld, the second United Nations Secretary-General, and many others.
CIA and other US agencies have their dossiers filled with many assassination projects, not to speak of our soldiers returning from immoral wars overseas and continuing to kill our own upon their return. War (killing) is never the answer, Peace is.
You are a wise and knowledgeable person. Your facts are accurate as are your conclusions. Please share what you know with others every chance you get and continue to learn more and more yourself, something I have a little doubt that you will do. Thank you.
Cheeto’s Traitorous Envoy Witkoff: Helping Russia Defeat Ukraine
Bendict Arnold would have been made proud with Cheeto’s real estate buddy Witkoff who has taken over the role of primary Putin ass kisser and Russian asset from his boss Cheeto
Recently Russian asset Witkoff made the whole Nazi party in Washington ecstatic when he became the guidance counsel for the Russkis advising them how to troll Cheeto(https://bit.ly/4omGDPW) With such success Cheeto canceled the Tomahawk missile shipment to Ukraine used for air defense purposes
The Nazis now have their sites on turning their backs on NATO and specifically Ukraine What a prized group of anti-American traitors following in the footsteps of their beloved Der Fuhrer Witkoff is even more transactional as the demented Cheeto, if that’s possible
Soooo as Lev Parnas reports about Witkoff’s job, "Don’t listen when the media tells you Witkoff is 'confused.' That’s the cover story. This isn’t confusion. It’s a deliberate stalling tactic. A distraction. A way to buy time while Russia pounds Ukraine with drones and missiles."
Such an important perspective. It’s horrifying that the admin is trying to blame this on all Afghans and anyone applying for asylum now, when we're probably the cause of this tragedy. (On top of the original sin of sending the NG to DC, making them a target for no reason.) Collective guilt.
Zeteo gets it right again.
Trump did deploy the National Guard…armed with rakes. The Guards mission was apparently just to stand around making them sitting ducks. It has been reported that Trump had been told the deployment put the lives of the National Guard at risk.
But Trump will be a sociopath.
Exactly this. No guardsmen deployed means no guardsmen put at risk of attack.
The national guard had no business being in DC in the first place; let's address that lawless action by trump. Make no mistake,a lot of the blame here is his.
But all national guard members should just GO HOME now!
Rank and file National Guardsmen, far and away, don't have the experience or the rank or the knowledge to know the difference between an illegal order of the type we're talking about here and a bad order that may or may not be illegal. In fact, we don't know ourselves because it's still tied up in the courts. I think most of us have a moral compass that tell us all these things are being done for wrong reasons but that doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal, necessarily. These kids are between a rock and a hard place. Their senior career non-coms and their experienced, career officers are different story. We need to, and I believe we will, start seeing some of them step forward and set the example these green kids need to see. However, it's the duty of any serviceman do his/her dead level best to find a way they can carry out their superiors orders but, sometimes you run out of options and have to make a stand one way or the other. Mr. Trump and Mr. Hegseth, If allowed to continue as they are now, will see the gradual erosion of morale, discipline and a moral compass, pervasive across all our armed forces. If SECDEF Hegseth is still around a year from now and things have not improved but have continued to regress in this fashion, he simply won't understand. Then he'll look for somebody to blame.
Rank and file national guard members are 18,or older. That means they are old enough to vote, enter a legal contract and should know better. We are talking about common sense and decency. If that is absent,then the accountability will fall on that guardsman; it's a graduate course in the school of hard knocks.
The writer makes important points here, in particular that sometime things - even though there are a great many shades of gray to consider throughout - boils down to a black and white decision in the School of Hard Knocks. We're all, at the same time, both students & alumni of this School. A bullet to the head is one heck of a hard knock and the young National Guardsmen who died a few days ago graduated from the School the only way any of us can.
She was 20 years old, old enough to enter into a contract and to vote and to join the National Guard and to swear an oath to the Constitution, an oath she was in the process of upholding. Interestingly enough though, she was not considered mature enough to have a glass of wine with dinner at a nice restaurant or to go into popular bar to hear live music and have a beer with buddies. And based on all that I've read about her, she seemed to be noted by others to deserve high marks in both common sense and decency. And she was, indeed, accountable for her decision to follow a bad, but lawful order which her oath obligated her to do, even though she told friends and family she wished she wasn't being sent to Washington DC as she thought all the chaos and ICE raids, etc., were wrong. Her rank was in the lower range of specialists, hers being something akin to a medic, a first responder. I'm sure she knew knew that her skills and training might possibly be needed there and I'm equally sure she was willing to provide them. In fact, as it turned out, they were needed badly. Because she was accountable for her decisions and because of the graduate course she was taking at the the School of Hard Knocks, however, she was unable to be to be that first responder.
If never accepting responsibility for anything were an Olympic Event, FFOTUS would be the permanent gold medal winner.
Just checking in on Mehdi. Been thinking of him.
I had to take a break from the story when I read "15 years old".
Hoo boy. I hadn't read about the accusations of America employing child soldiers before. It really boggles the mind how anybody within the "national security"/"defense" establishment can claim any moral high ground.
Yes. 15 years old. I remember what I was thinking and doing when I was 15 and I bet you do too. Then, imagine If he was one of our classmates pulled out, never for us to see again. His world changed in an instant, from whatever teenage boys we're doing in his country that roughly correlated to what the same age boys were doing in ours. What his World abruptly changed to was one of long periods of time and solitude in completely darkened rooms not even a tiny sliver of light coming under the door, no sounds no sight. Sometimes a bowl with a little food and a 2 liter bottle water would be slid in through a black port in the door, no light, no sound other than that of a tray sliding across the black concrete floor. Other times, there would be no food or water for several days. This went on for anywhere from 6 weeks to 2 or 3 months. Then he would be pulled out abruptly, a pair of sunglasses put on him, examined and treated by a doctor, cleaned up and afforded for a while daily visits from a psychologist and hours and hours and hours of intensive frightening, intermittent interrogation. If he made it past this point and got the nods from the medical doctor, the psychologist and his interrogators, he would have made it through the initial induction stage.
Your empathy was showing in your comment. And thank God, there's still some of us that can experience that emotion. Because I could tell in your comment that you cared, that's why I wrote down what I did, and because I felt that you would be strong enough to hear it. Thank you for having an open heart and for caring.
It's definitely Langley's culture. I mean even "Weird Al" Yankovic called them out (in my favorite parody of his, to be perfectly honest)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI
Whoever pulled the trigger that fired the rounds into the bodies, so tragically, of these two very promising, National Guardsmen, it was President Donald J. Trump who aimed the weapon. This is not hyperbole. As their C-in-C, he ordered them into harm's way in a place where they we're not needed and not wanted. The purpose? To add luster to the chaos, disruption, terror, fear, anger and animosity that primarily ICE & CBP were creating in the populace. And the motive? Mr. Trump's personal political gain and sense of feeling powerful.
Now let's look at the primary person of interest they have in custody, who is of Afghan origin. With new information about what this man did for CIA, his age when he started and the nature of the training he most likely would have received from CIA, a picture is emerging that we haven't seen before in recent times, at least I'm not aware of it if we have. But I have personal experience and personal knowledge that can add, I think, to our understanding.
This young man, according to reporting, would have started training with or for a zero squad at around age 15. I know generally, but not specifically what some of that training would have entailed, some of it "in kind" is used in training our own troops to make them better and more willing killers in combat. When made fully active, he did what he did, it would appear for a long time, especially for this kind of work.
How much decompression and orientation he may or not have received, I don't know either, but probably some, somehow. But one thing I can almost guarantee you he didn't receive, given the circumstances and nature of his arrival in the US, is deprogramming. Assuming he didn't, he was likely a ticking time bomb. Do all such individuals go on to kill erratically and irrationally? No. What percentage do? I don't have that number either. One thing I can tell you, though, as can psychologists and sociologists who are experts in this "field", the probability is very much increased and the unpredictability is dramatic.
Thank you, Spencer, and you do remember who created the Taliban in Afghanistan to get the Soviets out. General Zia, who was brought in and murdered Bhutto, who was eliminated along with Gen Wassom and others in a C-130 so-called accident, our list is a long one, which may include Dag Hammarskjöld, the second United Nations Secretary-General, and many others.
CIA and other US agencies have their dossiers filled with many assassination projects, not to speak of our soldiers returning from immoral wars overseas and continuing to kill our own upon their return. War (killing) is never the answer, Peace is.
You are a wise and knowledgeable person. Your facts are accurate as are your conclusions. Please share what you know with others every chance you get and continue to learn more and more yourself, something I have a little doubt that you will do. Thank you.
Heartbreaking in every way
Cheeto’s Traitorous Envoy Witkoff: Helping Russia Defeat Ukraine
Bendict Arnold would have been made proud with Cheeto’s real estate buddy Witkoff who has taken over the role of primary Putin ass kisser and Russian asset from his boss Cheeto
Recently Russian asset Witkoff made the whole Nazi party in Washington ecstatic when he became the guidance counsel for the Russkis advising them how to troll Cheeto(https://bit.ly/4omGDPW) With such success Cheeto canceled the Tomahawk missile shipment to Ukraine used for air defense purposes
The Nazis now have their sites on turning their backs on NATO and specifically Ukraine What a prized group of anti-American traitors following in the footsteps of their beloved Der Fuhrer Witkoff is even more transactional as the demented Cheeto, if that’s possible
Soooo as Lev Parnas reports about Witkoff’s job, "Don’t listen when the media tells you Witkoff is 'confused.' That’s the cover story. This isn’t confusion. It’s a deliberate stalling tactic. A distraction. A way to buy time while Russia pounds Ukraine with drones and missiles."
Is this the same USA that illegally invaded and illegally occupied Afghanistan and completely destroyed the country?
Do we trust the Feds to investigate?
Stephen Miller is EVIL incarnate!
Thank you so much for this information.
Such an important perspective. It’s horrifying that the admin is trying to blame this on all Afghans and anyone applying for asylum now, when we're probably the cause of this tragedy. (On top of the original sin of sending the NG to DC, making them a target for no reason.) Collective guilt.