The Palestinians are the only group with legal standing to contest the land, which is why Israel wants them gone. The model they are mimicking is that of the US and native americans... attrition, killing, expulsions, and thats whats been happening, and it continues.
The difference now is that the US is no longer as dominant. Israels behav…
The Palestinians are the only group with legal standing to contest the land, which is why Israel wants them gone. The model they are mimicking is that of the US and native americans... attrition, killing, expulsions, and thats whats been happening, and it continues.
The difference now is that the US is no longer as dominant. Israels behavior is a threat to US national security because it is accelerating US decline. The script has flipped. Biden is living in nostalgia, and his professionals are disgusted.
It is also really dumb to attack students with weapons rather than arguments. This will only mean that the protests grow. This is why the Lobby is pushing the nuclear option of pushing for a law that makes criticism of Israel illegal. Like frankenstein they are panicking in the sunshine, they prefer the shadows.
I agree with this assessment. I have not defended Netanyahu or his fascist government. This invasion was a revenge tour that’s only making matters worse, and pulling all of Israel into a rabbit hole; while these religious fanatics are deciding the fate of both countries.
And I agree, Israel is bringing us down with them. I was only defending Israel’s right to exist, and the ridiculous argument that Gaza is worse than the manufactured war in Iraq.
Otherwise, we agree that this is a travesty and the Palestinians are suffering greatly.
I don't think any country has a "right" to exist. The Israelis are sensitive on this point, and they need to get over it. The charge of antisemitism is getting silly, specially when it is now applied to Jewish Americans.
It is becoming increasingly clear to all that the Palestinians are the victims. Again, a role reversal.
Huh? No country has the right to exist? That’s your story and you’re sticking to it? I won’t bother even trying to respond!
I agree, it’s not all anti-semitism. Many on this site are Hamas supporters. So you’re right, it’s not anti-semitism, it’s pure hatred of Jews. How many will even suggest that Hamas slaughtered Jews? All I hear are people saying Jews deserved it.
Suppose I tell you the US has no right to exist. Or, China, or Iran. Or for that matter, you or me. Would you blow your stack? Of course not, you would laugh it off. That's what Israel needs to do.
If after 75 years they are still insecure about whether they should exist or not this is their problem!! They should see a "country shrink". Or perhaps it is just guilty conscience, given that the genocide of Palestinians enabled their existence? You decide!
See this is the ignorance. “The genocide of Palestinians led to Israel’s existence!”
Evidence please? What genocide took place in 1948? Obviously. History is being rewritten so it wasn’t Palestinians that left of their own free will; when their leaders told them to (so they could exterminate all the Jews and then return). Now it was a forced expulsion of the Palestinians. Got it, I’ll make sure to update the history books.
And what Palestinian state existed? Gaza was under Egyptian control and Jordan controlled the West Bank and Jerusalem. You do understand this simple concept, right? So when you say there was a Palestinian genocide so Israel could exist, please explain?
Both Egypt and Jordan refused to recognize a Palestinian state at the time, or give up territory for a Palestinian state. So are they also complicit in the “imaginary” genocide of the Palestinian people as well? Or is this another Jewish conspiracy to rid the world of the Palestinian people that I’m just learning about for the first time?
That said, some Jewish terror groups did exist and were responsible for the deaths of innocent Palestinians at the time? Yes, the Irgun and Stern Gang were terrorists, but several Palestinian Terror groups also existed and were murdering innocent Jews. I guess that part has been whitewashed from history.
As for whether China or any other country has the right to exist is immaterial, since they do exist. This is my point, we live in the real world, yet, you live in a fantasy world.
You’re so excited. Please refer to ICJ proceedings, and numerous historians. Try Ilan Pappe to start, he is being harassed at airports these days. Your verbal harangues mean little. Try a new form of hasbara please!
I’m not excited, just not interested in the regurgitation of a false history. Your whole argument is based on the words of Dr. Mohamed Hussein:
“If the United Nations decides to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, no force on earth could prevent blood from flowing there. … [O]nce such bloodshed has commenced, no force on earth can confine it to the borders of Palestine itself.”
— Dr. Mohamed Hussein Heykal Pasha, Egyptian delegate to UN Ad Hoc Committee on Palestine, 1947
His argument that partitioning part of Palestine for a Jewish state would lead to genocide. A self fulfilling prophecy, since it was the Arab states that started the war.
As though, the only bloodshed to exist in the ME is all the fault of Jews. All the Islamic terror ground that exists today, only exists as a bulwark against Zionism.
All the ill-treatment of Muslim Arabs only exists because Jews. The Taliban in Afghanistan, a Zionist plot. Rinse, lather, repeat.
The Palestinians are the only group with legal standing to contest the land, which is why Israel wants them gone. The model they are mimicking is that of the US and native americans... attrition, killing, expulsions, and thats whats been happening, and it continues.
The difference now is that the US is no longer as dominant. Israels behavior is a threat to US national security because it is accelerating US decline. The script has flipped. Biden is living in nostalgia, and his professionals are disgusted.
It is also really dumb to attack students with weapons rather than arguments. This will only mean that the protests grow. This is why the Lobby is pushing the nuclear option of pushing for a law that makes criticism of Israel illegal. Like frankenstein they are panicking in the sunshine, they prefer the shadows.
I agree with this assessment. I have not defended Netanyahu or his fascist government. This invasion was a revenge tour that’s only making matters worse, and pulling all of Israel into a rabbit hole; while these religious fanatics are deciding the fate of both countries.
And I agree, Israel is bringing us down with them. I was only defending Israel’s right to exist, and the ridiculous argument that Gaza is worse than the manufactured war in Iraq.
Otherwise, we agree that this is a travesty and the Palestinians are suffering greatly.
I don't think any country has a "right" to exist. The Israelis are sensitive on this point, and they need to get over it. The charge of antisemitism is getting silly, specially when it is now applied to Jewish Americans.
It is becoming increasingly clear to all that the Palestinians are the victims. Again, a role reversal.
Huh? No country has the right to exist? That’s your story and you’re sticking to it? I won’t bother even trying to respond!
I agree, it’s not all anti-semitism. Many on this site are Hamas supporters. So you’re right, it’s not anti-semitism, it’s pure hatred of Jews. How many will even suggest that Hamas slaughtered Jews? All I hear are people saying Jews deserved it.
Suppose I tell you the US has no right to exist. Or, China, or Iran. Or for that matter, you or me. Would you blow your stack? Of course not, you would laugh it off. That's what Israel needs to do.
If after 75 years they are still insecure about whether they should exist or not this is their problem!! They should see a "country shrink". Or perhaps it is just guilty conscience, given that the genocide of Palestinians enabled their existence? You decide!
See this is the ignorance. “The genocide of Palestinians led to Israel’s existence!”
Evidence please? What genocide took place in 1948? Obviously. History is being rewritten so it wasn’t Palestinians that left of their own free will; when their leaders told them to (so they could exterminate all the Jews and then return). Now it was a forced expulsion of the Palestinians. Got it, I’ll make sure to update the history books.
And what Palestinian state existed? Gaza was under Egyptian control and Jordan controlled the West Bank and Jerusalem. You do understand this simple concept, right? So when you say there was a Palestinian genocide so Israel could exist, please explain?
Both Egypt and Jordan refused to recognize a Palestinian state at the time, or give up territory for a Palestinian state. So are they also complicit in the “imaginary” genocide of the Palestinian people as well? Or is this another Jewish conspiracy to rid the world of the Palestinian people that I’m just learning about for the first time?
That said, some Jewish terror groups did exist and were responsible for the deaths of innocent Palestinians at the time? Yes, the Irgun and Stern Gang were terrorists, but several Palestinian Terror groups also existed and were murdering innocent Jews. I guess that part has been whitewashed from history.
As for whether China or any other country has the right to exist is immaterial, since they do exist. This is my point, we live in the real world, yet, you live in a fantasy world.
You’re so excited. Please refer to ICJ proceedings, and numerous historians. Try Ilan Pappe to start, he is being harassed at airports these days. Your verbal harangues mean little. Try a new form of hasbara please!
I’m not excited, just not interested in the regurgitation of a false history. Your whole argument is based on the words of Dr. Mohamed Hussein:
“If the United Nations decides to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, no force on earth could prevent blood from flowing there. … [O]nce such bloodshed has commenced, no force on earth can confine it to the borders of Palestine itself.”
— Dr. Mohamed Hussein Heykal Pasha, Egyptian delegate to UN Ad Hoc Committee on Palestine, 1947
His argument that partitioning part of Palestine for a Jewish state would lead to genocide. A self fulfilling prophecy, since it was the Arab states that started the war.
As though, the only bloodshed to exist in the ME is all the fault of Jews. All the Islamic terror ground that exists today, only exists as a bulwark against Zionism.
All the ill-treatment of Muslim Arabs only exists because Jews. The Taliban in Afghanistan, a Zionist plot. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Yes, you truly are an enlightened soul!…:)
Yawn. Try something different.