Some of them have fallen in the right wing media abyss, too. Material grievances, which are justified, have been routed into tribal anger. For example, I don't believe all the people who claim to care so much about abortion really care about babies. If they did, our policies to help struggling families would look a lot different. Abortion has become a tribal signifier. Also, I'm persuaded that some Trump supporters who have been negatively tagged (say, racist) want to believe that they're the good guys--so they make up/believe stories where he (and they) are the heroes. Regardless, I don't think we get anywhere without trying to understand each other, and both parties have let us all down repeatedly. Maybe the way out is a new party based on labor.
Delusion is not exclusively Trumpian. VP Harris has her VBNMW Blue MAGA too, people who believe she will restore the constitutional right to have an abortion despite the Democrats' history of keeping that alive as a front-burner campaign issue by passing up multiple opportunities to codify it into law when they had the power to do so. Blue MAGA also are in denial about the fact that Kamala Harris has accepted more money from AIPAC (the genocidal Zionist lobby) than Donald Trump. They believe she will save Palestine from destruction despite her long history of supporting its obliteration. They believe VP Harris represents the Working Class though her record shows she is firmly in the pockets of the capitalist oligarchs who have owned this country for its entire history. Yes, the same oligarchs who also own Trump! Both dominant political parties support the oligarchy, not democracy.
We already have several parties that support labor -- People Over Profit. The one with the largest membership, most ballot access, and highest profile right now is the #GreenParty. #JillStein2024 has my vote.
This is EXACTLY what the DNC wants us to believe - that Harris' "joyful" brand of fascism will save us from Trump's blatant brand fascism. Both parties are fascist, though one is less subtle about it than the other. So yeah - pick your poison. Good luck.
There is no serious person who cares about Palestine that believes Harris is going to save Palestine. Most of this stuff you wrote is just made up to make you feel smarter than the left and successfully contrarian. Cool, whatever, vote for a definite loser if you want, I'm sure another Trump term can't hurt, right?
I am WAY to the left of the Democratic Party. The DNC moved to the right of center and are now GOP-Lite.
No, I do not believe either Harris or Trump is going to save Palestine, at least not unless we apply enormous pressure on whoever takes the oath of office on 20 Jan 2025. We're somewhat limited in what we can do because most of our neighbors are so brainwashed that they believe either Team Red or Team Blue is the answer to all of their (and Palestine's) problems. Well, neither of them is. Both parties are dominated by the neoliberal/neoconservative cadre that serves capitalism.
Can another Trump term hurt? Of course it can. So can a Harris term. Guess we'll see, won't we?
A new party based on labor would split the Democrats whereby neither the Dems or so-called labor party can win. So, I vehemently disagree with this concept.
Excellent comment and well-stated. However, corporate- and billionaire-owned media will NEVER permit a new party based on labor to develop and flourish, however much the people would benefit from or even desire this. Too much economic freedom involved, which would sharply curtail their always-increasing assets.
Never say never :) Social imagination and collective action to start. It's not about what's allowed. It's about trying to build the world we want, the world we deserve. It's the only way. Hope is radical.
How not stupid are they? They’ve repeatedly and very successfully affixed blame for middle class collapse on the Democrats, while current circumstances are in fact the fruit of 40+ years of Reagan/Gingrich capitalism and politics. Our entire country is being commodified by the obscenely wealthy, but nothing is more important than owning the libs. Brilliant.
Yes, brilliant. Both major parties (both are owned by the "obscenely wealthy") play the same games. By demonizing the other party, each of them helps sustain the illusion that they are farther apart ideologically than they actually are so that voters have a real choice by voting D or R. Both of them use different forms of identity politics and culture warfare to pull this off, and it distracts voters from the REAL war, the class war, which we, the 99%, have been losing for over 40 years now.
Both major parties are dominated by the same neoliberal ideology on the domestic economy and neoconservative ideology on foreign policy. Both of them vote overwhelmingly to give the Pentagon mo' money, mo' money, mo' money to beef up its perpetual war machine. Both of them practice some degree of austerity policy for poor and working-class Americans so as to please their masters in the banking, insurance, property rental, and arms industries. Democrats routinely fearmonger about Project 2025, but Clinton's infamous "Welfare Reform" and Obama's "Affordable" Care Act" came out of the same conservative Heritage Foundation think tank that created Newt Gingrich's "Contract on America" and "Project 2025." The supposed big contrast between the two parties really comes down to which sets of voters they pander to.
Most American voters apparently still don't get it that they're being played.
I also think there is a percentage of Trump supporters who are racist misogynists and would never vote for a non-white candidate or a female candidate.
Let’s also keep a focus on the disgraceful behavior. Donald paid $130,000 and committed 34 felonies to hide that when his wife had a baby he had sex with Stormy.
He knew how harmful that was and that’s why he did so much to hide it.
Trump is a rapist who cheated on his wife when she was nursing his son. Disgusting, even for a fascist.
My sense is that Tom Nichols's piece in Atlantic may take us another step. His thesis, in essence, is that, indeed, T will destroy the country, including them. But the "prize" is a more "common level of misery" (for the survivors). That's not delusional. It's likely spot on.
HANNAH ARENDT (1951): “The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth [à la Trump] is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth and truth be defamed as a lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world – and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end – is being destroyed [à la the hoi polloi of MAGA].” ~ from 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'
For a critical number of them, it’s not about him at all. They feel, correctly, betrayed by the establishment Democratic and Republican Parties and no longer trust them. They (those in the critical number) don’t, for a second, believe Trump is trustworthy, either. But he’s 1) openly untrustworthy (and, in that sense more honest?) and , more importantly, 2) violently upsets those same politicians and their supporters, especially the ones who constantly insult and demean them. In that sense, fixating and screaming about Trump actually increases his support - yet we still do it. Read the comments!
Trump survives and even thrives because there is no real alternative (like MAGA, many are delusional about who and what they are really supporting). And that’s also why so many of us can’t support either major candidate, for special issues (genocide, corporatism, etc etc etc). He survives and thrives because we waste our time obsessing over his obvious (serious!) flaws and ignoring our own.
You have choices but you prefer to just complain. Yes, no choice is ever perfect. No one presidential candidate can fit every persons ideals. Yes, both candidates prefer Israelis over Palestinians (the Republicans more so because they like the money they earn from making bombs.)
Israelis & American Jews have flooded America for years with propaganda & sent many of their cohorts into US government. American Jews also donate tons of cash to Israeli causes.
But now with social media, things can change.
Vote Harris for a shot at changing the narrative in Palestine. With thump (or Stein) you won’t even have that. Then we have to increase the pressure.
Sorry to comment that this is a simplistic and wrong analysis. There are delusional people on all sides. Read some history. Learn the meaning of the labels you use.
I have studied it for over 40 years and I believe my analysis is spot on. Trump is not a Zionist and a Fascist? Kamala and China Tampon Tim are not Communists?
That's ignorant as I'm far from far right. Trump, W Bush etc are awful. So Walz is not Tampon Tim? So Walz is not in love with China? So Biden/Harris have not undermining America for the benefit China/Russia? You are delusional. The Right Left paradigm is a trap you are obviously stuck in.
I know there are many good people in both parties but what is amazing to me is the level of Programming which makes them enthusiastically follow Morons like Biden/Harris/Walz and Trump/Vance. They all support the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing of well over 100,000 Defenseless mostly Women and Children plus the blockage of food, water, medicine, electricity, energy, sewage etc. Ghouls and Parasites like their Zionist Masters. Not one of them had the Courage to stand-up against this.
Harris pretended Traitorous, Moronic Biden was "sharpest man I know" for 4 years and they continued to destroy the country and want 4 more years to finish it off. Trump is as bad. Everything Biden/Harris did benefited America's enemies. And Biden is the Most Racist President in US History, even worse than Trump.
They are capitalist for whats best for themselves, like Pelosi, but communists for the people. Biovax mandates, attacks, coercion, shutdowns. Cowards and Traitors.
Some of them have fallen in the right wing media abyss, too. Material grievances, which are justified, have been routed into tribal anger. For example, I don't believe all the people who claim to care so much about abortion really care about babies. If they did, our policies to help struggling families would look a lot different. Abortion has become a tribal signifier. Also, I'm persuaded that some Trump supporters who have been negatively tagged (say, racist) want to believe that they're the good guys--so they make up/believe stories where he (and they) are the heroes. Regardless, I don't think we get anywhere without trying to understand each other, and both parties have let us all down repeatedly. Maybe the way out is a new party based on labor.
Delusion is not exclusively Trumpian. VP Harris has her VBNMW Blue MAGA too, people who believe she will restore the constitutional right to have an abortion despite the Democrats' history of keeping that alive as a front-burner campaign issue by passing up multiple opportunities to codify it into law when they had the power to do so. Blue MAGA also are in denial about the fact that Kamala Harris has accepted more money from AIPAC (the genocidal Zionist lobby) than Donald Trump. They believe she will save Palestine from destruction despite her long history of supporting its obliteration. They believe VP Harris represents the Working Class though her record shows she is firmly in the pockets of the capitalist oligarchs who have owned this country for its entire history. Yes, the same oligarchs who also own Trump! Both dominant political parties support the oligarchy, not democracy.
We already have several parties that support labor -- People Over Profit. The one with the largest membership, most ballot access, and highest profile right now is the #GreenParty. #JillStein2024 has my vote.
Choose your own enemy. All choices are imperfect. All politicians need to balance the demands of multiple people.
Meanwhile you can have a fascist dictator who promises rounding up people or a leader who will stand by the constitution.
If you choose the dictator don’t pretend you weren’t warned when they come for you.
This is EXACTLY what the DNC wants us to believe - that Harris' "joyful" brand of fascism will save us from Trump's blatant brand fascism. Both parties are fascist, though one is less subtle about it than the other. So yeah - pick your poison. Good luck.
There is no serious person who cares about Palestine that believes Harris is going to save Palestine. Most of this stuff you wrote is just made up to make you feel smarter than the left and successfully contrarian. Cool, whatever, vote for a definite loser if you want, I'm sure another Trump term can't hurt, right?
I am WAY to the left of the Democratic Party. The DNC moved to the right of center and are now GOP-Lite.
No, I do not believe either Harris or Trump is going to save Palestine, at least not unless we apply enormous pressure on whoever takes the oath of office on 20 Jan 2025. We're somewhat limited in what we can do because most of our neighbors are so brainwashed that they believe either Team Red or Team Blue is the answer to all of their (and Palestine's) problems. Well, neither of them is. Both parties are dominated by the neoliberal/neoconservative cadre that serves capitalism.
Can another Trump term hurt? Of course it can. So can a Harris term. Guess we'll see, won't we?
Equating Trump and Harris is real big brain action
They are not identical to one another, but they're equally corrupt.
Ok big brain
A new party based on labor would split the Democrats whereby neither the Dems or so-called labor party can win. So, I vehemently disagree with this concept.
Gotta start somewhere.
Excellent comment and well-stated. However, corporate- and billionaire-owned media will NEVER permit a new party based on labor to develop and flourish, however much the people would benefit from or even desire this. Too much economic freedom involved, which would sharply curtail their always-increasing assets.
Never say never :) Social imagination and collective action to start. It's not about what's allowed. It's about trying to build the world we want, the world we deserve. It's the only way. Hope is radical.
It will take violence. No rulers have ever peacefully given up power for the benefits of their people since Diocletian.
How not stupid are they? They’ve repeatedly and very successfully affixed blame for middle class collapse on the Democrats, while current circumstances are in fact the fruit of 40+ years of Reagan/Gingrich capitalism and politics. Our entire country is being commodified by the obscenely wealthy, but nothing is more important than owning the libs. Brilliant.
Yes, brilliant. Both major parties (both are owned by the "obscenely wealthy") play the same games. By demonizing the other party, each of them helps sustain the illusion that they are farther apart ideologically than they actually are so that voters have a real choice by voting D or R. Both of them use different forms of identity politics and culture warfare to pull this off, and it distracts voters from the REAL war, the class war, which we, the 99%, have been losing for over 40 years now.
Both major parties are dominated by the same neoliberal ideology on the domestic economy and neoconservative ideology on foreign policy. Both of them vote overwhelmingly to give the Pentagon mo' money, mo' money, mo' money to beef up its perpetual war machine. Both of them practice some degree of austerity policy for poor and working-class Americans so as to please their masters in the banking, insurance, property rental, and arms industries. Democrats routinely fearmonger about Project 2025, but Clinton's infamous "Welfare Reform" and Obama's "Affordable" Care Act" came out of the same conservative Heritage Foundation think tank that created Newt Gingrich's "Contract on America" and "Project 2025." The supposed big contrast between the two parties really comes down to which sets of voters they pander to.
Most American voters apparently still don't get it that they're being played.
I also think there is a percentage of Trump supporters who are racist misogynists and would never vote for a non-white candidate or a female candidate.
Unless you have true psychiatric delusions, you’ve first got to be stupid to be deluded. No need to sugarcoat it.
Let’s also keep a focus on the disgraceful behavior. Donald paid $130,000 and committed 34 felonies to hide that when his wife had a baby he had sex with Stormy.
He knew how harmful that was and that’s why he did so much to hide it.
Trump is a rapist who cheated on his wife when she was nursing his son. Disgusting, even for a fascist.
My sense is that Tom Nichols's piece in Atlantic may take us another step. His thesis, in essence, is that, indeed, T will destroy the country, including them. But the "prize" is a more "common level of misery" (for the survivors). That's not delusional. It's likely spot on.
HANNAH ARENDT (1951): “The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth [à la Trump] is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth and truth be defamed as a lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world – and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end – is being destroyed [à la the hoi polloi of MAGA].” ~ from 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'
For a critical number of them, it’s not about him at all. They feel, correctly, betrayed by the establishment Democratic and Republican Parties and no longer trust them. They (those in the critical number) don’t, for a second, believe Trump is trustworthy, either. But he’s 1) openly untrustworthy (and, in that sense more honest?) and , more importantly, 2) violently upsets those same politicians and their supporters, especially the ones who constantly insult and demean them. In that sense, fixating and screaming about Trump actually increases his support - yet we still do it. Read the comments!
Trump survives and even thrives because there is no real alternative (like MAGA, many are delusional about who and what they are really supporting). And that’s also why so many of us can’t support either major candidate, for special issues (genocide, corporatism, etc etc etc). He survives and thrives because we waste our time obsessing over his obvious (serious!) flaws and ignoring our own.
You have choices but you prefer to just complain. Yes, no choice is ever perfect. No one presidential candidate can fit every persons ideals. Yes, both candidates prefer Israelis over Palestinians (the Republicans more so because they like the money they earn from making bombs.)
Israelis & American Jews have flooded America for years with propaganda & sent many of their cohorts into US government. American Jews also donate tons of cash to Israeli causes.
But now with social media, things can change.
Vote Harris for a shot at changing the narrative in Palestine. With thump (or Stein) you won’t even have that. Then we have to increase the pressure.
We have 2 terrible choices: Zionist Fascists or Communists.
Sorry to comment that this is a simplistic and wrong analysis. There are delusional people on all sides. Read some history. Learn the meaning of the labels you use.
I have studied it for over 40 years and I believe my analysis is spot on. Trump is not a Zionist and a Fascist? Kamala and China Tampon Tim are not Communists?
No, Kamala & Walz are not communists. Just your use of “China Tampon Tim” shows you’ve been brainwashed by 40 years of far right propaganda.
That's ignorant as I'm far from far right. Trump, W Bush etc are awful. So Walz is not Tampon Tim? So Walz is not in love with China? So Biden/Harris have not undermining America for the benefit China/Russia? You are delusional. The Right Left paradigm is a trap you are obviously stuck in.
Even China isn’t communist.
Oh, ok. Delusional.
No viable candidate in this race is a communist. The Democratic Party leadership is fully capitalist to the dismay of humanity.
I know there are many good people in both parties but what is amazing to me is the level of Programming which makes them enthusiastically follow Morons like Biden/Harris/Walz and Trump/Vance. They all support the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing of well over 100,000 Defenseless mostly Women and Children plus the blockage of food, water, medicine, electricity, energy, sewage etc. Ghouls and Parasites like their Zionist Masters. Not one of them had the Courage to stand-up against this.
Harris pretended Traitorous, Moronic Biden was "sharpest man I know" for 4 years and they continued to destroy the country and want 4 more years to finish it off. Trump is as bad. Everything Biden/Harris did benefited America's enemies. And Biden is the Most Racist President in US History, even worse than Trump.
They are capitalist for whats best for themselves, like Pelosi, but communists for the people. Biovax mandates, attacks, coercion, shutdowns. Cowards and Traitors.