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john g's avatar

I find it very frustrating that we highlight one event like this and call it a new era of violence in a country with regular mass shootings, where police murder people of color with impunity, and state violence is carried out regularly. It's not a new era of violence at all. It's just that we don't classify all the violence happening as violence. There were more stories about Charlie Kirk in the last 24 hours in mainstream press than every story about the US financing a genocide in Palestine over the last year. The US invades and overthrows leaders. It causes mass disruption and chaos in regions that lead to more mass death. The US murdered a million Iraqi human beings and threw an entire region into chaos for the last 20 years, causing unknown amounts of related deaths. This is a country of violence. Why is it some new era of violence just because someone famous was assassinated? We've had presidents assassinated. The atrocities committed in Vietnam because the us wanted to protect colonial interests involved setting babies on fire. The school of the Americas trained south American guerilla fighters to kill children with machetes. You bring up the years of lead in Italy? That goes back to the gladio operation with the leave behind networks after WWII.

the crimes if this empire are too numerous to count and that violence always comes home. What's new about this?

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Amjad Barakat's avatar

America was founded on violence against the indigenous, built with violence on slavery, sustained with violence domestically and around the world. America's culture is subconsciously violent.

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RSV's avatar

Well stated. Political violence in the USA is as American as apple pie. From the Hamilton and Burr duel through today - in between a slave revolts, abolitionist revolts, the Mexican American War, the Civil War, Presidential assassinations, Jim Crow lynchings, Native American genocide, FBI assassinations of communists and Black Panthers, Manifest Destiny and Monroe Doctrine, the Vietnam War and EVERY conflict since, law enforcement brutality against Blacks and Hispanics, and union leaders. A thousand years from now the USA will be judged as a violent society that was led by malignant narcissists aka white colonizers and their corporate masters who utilized slavery and serfdom to gain wealth and power. Who knows how it will end or evolve from today.

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Lianne Doherty's avatar

Guns kill people! If you do not have access to a gun, then gun violence is impossible! What i resent is insisting that Kirk's death was the fault of the left. Let us find the suspect FIRST & the decide!

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ChrisC's avatar

James Baldwin, 1971: “What the world does to you, if the world does it to you long enough and effectively enough, you begin to do to yourself. You become a collaborator, an accomplice to your own murderers, because you believe the same things they do.”

“This is not America”- This has been America since 1776. If the legend holds true, it was Crispus Attucks, a Black man, who was the first to die for the revolution. And after it was over and the British were defeated, America was kind enough to let all the Blacks who were enslaved (Attucks was a free man) stay that way. Oh, but you don’t have to look way back into those “ancient” times. Charlie Kirk was a supporter of the insurrection of January 6th, 2021. “There are hundreds of peaceful people that went into the Capitol on January 6. They did not touch a police officer. They didn’t smash a window, but they have been charged federally for trespassing and called insurrectionists for the rest of their life.” Capitol police officers were assaulted, maimed and some died in the aftermath. But the phrase Charlie’s folks often use is “back the blue”, right?

“violence has no part in our political system”-straight capping! Out of our 46 presidents so far, four have been assassinated. John F. Kennedy, William McKinley, James Garfield and Abraham Lincoln, to be more precise. Ronald Reagan survived the assassination attempt by John Hinkley. Other presidents to also survive assassination attempts include Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Gerald Ford.

“This is not who we are”- Yes it is. Even when you look outside of presidents, any number of political figures have met their maker thanks to someone holding a gun. Civil rights activists like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Fred Hampton. Senator Robert F Kennedy. Oh, and going way, way back, Secretary of Treasury Alexander Hamilton. (folks have seen the play, right?)

“Guns have no place in America”- knock it off. Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt last year and not a single Republican voted to support meaningful gun-reform legislation. Not a single one.

The killing of Charlie Kirk can rationally and morally be condemned. But the choice—and it is a choice—to simply look past the cosigning of violence he was responsible for is hypocritical. It’s more important to call these people out for what they were, regardless of the circumstances of their departure.

Charlie Kirk was a bigot.

Charlie Kirk was a misogynist.

Charlie Kirk was the real life version of the Christian Bale character in American Psycho.

Charlie Kirk’s American dream is not mine. It never has been. It never will be. I don’t aspire to the aesthetic of a Charlie Kirk. In his ideal world, someone who looks like me isn't supposed to be on equal footing with him.

Kirk’s legacy is one of unashamed racial vitriol—underneath which is an existential fear at the gradual “browning” of America, belligerence disguised as folksy talk, and, yes, policy murder. It is not completely unpredictable that he met his fate in a way that he decried was no big deal.

May he rest in peace, but damn—he could have at least cleaned up behind himself before he left.

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Sb's avatar

Let me just say…the hype of this event, even here, is part of the malady of self aggrandizement and the sickness that prevails in the white supremacist psyche of both sides of the aisle of American exceptionalism. Add it to the feigned analysis of “political violence” from a country built and maintained by violence and subjugation of the “other”. Spare me the nonsense. Any of us with a level of human consciousness and critical thinking understands the American moral corrosion that we find ourselves in; but what I need, is to find the light in this dark tunnel that is US society.

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DOJ Assembling Unprecedented National Voter Database

As reported by the NYT(https://bit.ly/46j2Ib0) and covered by MSNBC the DOJ is “compiling the largest set of national voter roll data it has ever collected, buttressing an effort by President Trump and his supporters to try to prove long-running, unsubstantiated claims that droves of undocumented immigrants have voted illegally.”

This is part of the Nazi attempt to rig future elections by having registered voter information so as to challenge voters ability to vote in upcoming elections This is conjunction with the concerted effort by the DOJ to get hold of the states’ voter rolls

Cheeto and the Nazis successfully rigged the 2024 by vigilante challenges that Greg Palast estimates gave Cheeto the electoral win by 1.5m votes Had it not been for the 40,000 Nazis who challenged voters Palast estimates that Harris would have won by 3.5m votes So there is reason to believe that the Nazis will be doing something similar in strategy to mess with the 2026 midterms

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Steve Woodward's avatar

The folks at Zeteo have done some decent journalism.

This superficial dribble is not among that body of work.

Do better.

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Dave Riegel's avatar

This article states clearly what has been on my mind for weeks. We will see political violence used as an excuse for further state control over areas that are considered to be a threat to the right's continued hold on power over the country. Troops are being sent into blue-voting areas to intimidate citizens, suppress voting... I truly believe that the Trump government hopes to see violent reactions against troops and ICE in order to provide an excuse to continue to expand the use of the military in American cities.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Random acts of violence, political instability and murder could eventually result in a totalitarian government. That is entirely possible. The same thing happened in 1930's Germany, and also Japan, which we all know eventually spread to almost every country on earth in the form of a World War.

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Raechel Bratnick's avatar

Thank you for your clarity and honesty. This is sobering and aligns with my views of the state of the United States now. The reference to Italy in the 60s and 70's was new to me, as I was not paying attention to Italy then. I have been thinking about the cycles of nature and the cycles of countries. I am curious about how this is going to unfold and what it will take to begin the country's renewal. How shattered do we have to become before we say NO MORE?

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