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Mehrdad's avatar

Just like when the NAZI Germany was on the march and attacking its neighbors, the ZioNAZI regime has not been any different.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

No that is not true. Nazi Germany first attacked it own people. It exterminated all Jews, Homosexuals, and members of certain Christian groups before it even started its quest to conquer all of Europe and basically split the world with Japan. Israel has the right to defend itself against radical followers of Islam who want to destroy it. Just like the USA had the right to defend itself against Nazi Germany and totalitarian Japan during World War II.

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Mehrdad's avatar

Well I guess that is the version of the history that is thought at the Zionist schools. If Germany exterminated all Jews before they started to invade other countries, then who where those in the Auschwitz?

Israel has become the Nazi Germany, they have been systematically killing Palestinians since 1948, attacking their neighboring nations and currently in the middle of their 'final solution' of Palestinian people. Israel as a criminal State has lost ANY rights to exist and if there were any justice in this world, they would have by now facing Nuremberg style trial.

Your defense and whitewashing of this genocide is absolutely shameful.

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Rita Wittwer's avatar

You are absolutely correct. Israel was illegally created and has been a Zionist terrorist country ever since. No one attacks Israel without provocation.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Germany exterminated their Jews but they of course were not the only country that had Jews. The USA and England also have Jewish populations and they were never conquered by Germany or Japan. I am not sure what your point is. There are also Jews in South America and Australia again these countries were never conquered by the Axis powers in World War II. Russia was actually on our side during world two and their jews survived. There are over three million Jews living in Russia still today. I am not defending a genocide and I not confused like you seem to be about the history of World War II or any other history. If you do not even know the actual history of World War II then how can we trust you to tell us other history?? Anyone reading this do not take my word or Mehrdad's word on anything, check it out for yourself and you will see I am telling the truth and Mehrdad is clearly uninformed about actual historical events.

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Mehrdad's avatar

I am not going to play the semantic game with you here.  The fact and history show us that Germany started the ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Germany prior to the war, what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza and to some extent in the West Bank, and then extermination of Jews in Europe during the war and again to a great extent what Israel is carrying out in Gaza.   The extermination of Jews did not take place on day one nor in one day and this is the same situation in Gaza.  Your tacit support of this genocidal regime in Israel amounts to the same as supporting the German regime in 1939-41 and that is shameful.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

What is shameful is YOU who are twisting my words to imply I am supporting genocide. I know I am stating my views and if people do not like them it is not FAIR to accuse me of all sorts of horrible things. That is a lazy and unethical way of arguing any point accusing someone of some horrible thing they did not say because the accuser is too lazy to make a logical argument. Again I urge people to do their Own Research on the Internet and find out for themselves what is going on. I do need to take the lazy way out and falsely accuse anyone of condoning genocide. I have pointed out what I believe to be the genocide going on in China against followers of Islam. One reason for this is that it personal to me, maybe not to you, so you do not care. That is fine but do not harasss me about sticking up AGAINST THE POTENTIAL GENOCIDE OF SOME OF MY ANCESTORS!!! IN China. This has nothing to do with Jews in Germany or anything that happened in the past, it is what is happening right now. What is happening is the Genocide of followers of Islam in China, I do not care that you do not care about that situation. It is possible my own relatives are being genocided by the government of China so obviously I care about this and I can bring this up.

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Mehrdad's avatar

I am done with denialism, distraction and deflection. Go debate the flat earth if you think every deflection and distraction warrants a response.

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A stands for privacy's avatar

As someone living in germany and had to spent hours and hours in school with the holocaust you are talking shit. Wenn du keine ahnung von der geschichte hast, dann halt einfach deine fresse. Dieses andauernd blödsinnige erfinden von nicht- existenten historischem kontext.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

I do not care that you spent hours in school in Germany. I not only spent hours studying the issue I have ancestors in Lithuania that were murdered by Nazi's. Of course the German's were the ones responsible for the whole thing in the first place so I do not see how they can be trusted. Did you ever study publications written by actual survivors, not descendants of the people who actually committed these atrocities???? Do you think they are the best ones to know about this. I would take the word of people who were actually being persecuted over any of the descendants of the people did actually did the horrible thing in the fist place. Not to say they are lying there are Germans who have documented this and were brave enough to tell the truth even if their own ancestors were responsible for the horrible crimes. I applaud those people for their honesty and integrity. Again I do not know what you read but there is plenty of information on the internet where you can read the actual accounts, do not rely on me, do your own research, whoever is reading this post.

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A stands for privacy's avatar

So much text repeating the same thing lol. I referred to your reply saying "all jews were exterminated in germany" which is so hilarious and obv wrong. Next time try to read a text slowly then maybe you will understand

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A stands for privacy's avatar

If they killed all jews then why do they still exist? Germany began conquering poland while still doing the holocaust. And Israel is a terrorstate targeting directly unarmed palestinian civilians and ethnic c. them like in the westbank where they destroy palestinian homes. The whole middle east got fucked up after the so called christian nations aka england and the us decided to rape the middle east. Muslims were never the problem, its your type of pigs

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Jews exist because Germany did NOT WIN. The USA had Jews because Germany never occupied the USA, the USA fought against the Germans in World War II, how could you not know that??? Do you know about Pearl Harbor which started World War II, did you know that the Germany declared war on the USA at the same time Japan declared War on the USA? They were allies, they fought on the same side in World War II, how could you be so ignorant about history????

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A stands for privacy's avatar

What has pearl harbor to do with the context 😂 i cant

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

There are Jews in England. England was also AGAINST GERMANY AND WAS ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE USA. THERE ARE Jews in Russia. Russia was Against Germany and on the Same Side as the USA in World War II. We beat them, we won, they lost, THAN GOD FOR THAT!!!

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Sb's avatar

Absolute distortion of reality and history. The hasbara lie and the Hollywood propaganda and the cynical bs that Israel a nuclear power created, existing and designed to destroy lives across the world-a genocidal, criminal, genocidal state. Be it Chile 1973 or the pact with the Nazis in 1933, to exterminate and persecute its own people. The evidence is there if you are honest enough.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Again I am not talking about Israel, I never said anything about Israel so why are you bringing up irrelevant information???? I am talking about what is going on in China. As far as Israel is concerned I urge people to do their research on the issue of Israel and decide for themselves what is happening in Israel, I trust people can research on their own, they do not me and they do not need you telling them what to think. TRUTH TO POWER!!! Same thing goes for China, do your research. Why does my suggestion for people to do their own research and make their own decisions based on that research BOTHER YOU SO MUCH???? Why would you not want people to do their own research??? I do not get it????

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Fran Carbonaro's avatar

Who are you and why are you here? The comments here are related to the attached article and video, which has nothing to do with China. You are taking up way too much space.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

I am not talking about China anymore, that discussion ended a while ago. However, since you are asking about it you obviously read the entire conversation or you would know why it is relevant. I suggest you reread the entire conversation if you are that interested about it. Now I am talking about other issues I do not need to repeat myself to you. Elena

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

You obviously are welcome to read the conversation but I am done with the topic unless you have specific questions you want to ask me about it.

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Sb's avatar

You are an example of the arrogant, entitled zionazi that claims superior historical knowledge and victimization. I was married to a descendant of a Lithuanian jew and son of German jews. Stop taking space with hasbara diatribes.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. I could care less who you were married to that is your own problem. I am married to a really nice Christian man whose ancestry is from Western Europe by the way, So What does that prove???? NOTHING!! I do not care what you stupid husband ever said or did why should I??? You really are a Moran bringing up something so irrelevant to our current discussion. IF you married a jerk that is your problem not mine in any way, I do not need that information nor do I care one tweet who you married and whether or not they were a jerk, that has nothing to do with what we our discussion. Now leave me alone and stop telling me about your personal life which I have no interest in whatsoever.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Honestly why should I care less about who you married and whether or not you had a good marriage or not????. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THAT AT ALL I DO NOT NEED THAT INFORMATION IT SERVES NO PURPOSE TO WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING!

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Aisha BO's avatar

"Israel has the right to defend itself against radical followers of Islam who want to destroy it." Is that your justification for what Israel has been doing for the last 23 months?

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

Who are you, and what is your angle??? Identify yourself and I will give you an answer. Also BO??? what is that?

Elena

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Aisha BO's avatar

If you are honest with yourself and others your answer should not depend on who is asking you the question. That’s first. And second, my question was rhetorical because I already know your answer based on the comments you posted in this thread. I am not interested in debating apologists for terrorists/genociders.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

My answer does not depend on who is asking the question it never is. Still my policy is I do not converse with people who refuse to identify themselves. You obviously gave me a name that was made up, not hard to tell. IN addition, You are obviously hiding something and I do not converse with people who are not honest and do not disclose their real intentions.

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Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

You are the one who is being not honest, NOT ME!!!!

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Paco Noriega's avatar

Violence and terror are Israel’s only currency; not international law, not diplomacy, not mediation, not respect for human life. There is no red line for Israel, no law it will not breech, no norm it will not trample, no act too depraved or barbaric for its occupying army or settler militias. No child, woman, or man are off limits, even babies considered legitimate targets. The Israeli Prime Minister and his coalition government of extremists believe they can get away with murder, with genocide against the Palestinian people because there has not been any accountability for their horrific crimes.

The USA, UK and Germany could stop them but won’t because of the profit they are gaining from the war!! Every single politician is complicit and a spineless puppet if they don’t speak up to uphold the international law!

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Aisha Sheikh's avatar

I’m shocked but not surprised by Israel. What frustrates me more is the lack of reaction from the surrounding countries. Do they not know they are next?

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Marcia Behar's avatar

Thanks so much. I feel so much smarter after listening to this informative talk about a difficult subject. We are living in very scary times and information is the most important tool we have to begin to know how to think about these things.

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Omar E's avatar

Trump previously misled the Iranians during nuclear negotiations, creating a diversion while Israeli forces launched attacks. Now, a similar tactic appears to be playing out with Hamas. However, this time, the attack occurred in Qatar—home to the largest U.S. military base in the region—raising serious questions.

If the Arab world does not take a firm stance to deter Israel's actions, other countries in the Gulf and beyond could find themselves next in line. The Abraham Accords should be reconsidered, and nations like Egypt and Jordan might need to reevaluate their normalization agreements.

Only then might the United States be compelled to rein in its regional ally to avoid pushing the Arab world further toward strategic partnerships with Russia and China.

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Wizarat Rizvi's avatar

Arab leadership is the problem, whether it is Egypt, Jordan, KSA, Bahrain, Kuwait, or now Syria; they are all in bed with the Israelis.

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Omar E's avatar

Sadly, it’s true—and Arab leaders must wake up before it’s too late.

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Phonira's avatar

Zionism is showing its true colours…

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Fran Carbonaro's avatar

Two things are clear to ME, at this point: First, Israel has NO interest in any kind of "peace" or "cease fire" plan with Hamas. Their genocidal ethnic-cleansing campaign must NOT be interrupted. Second, the real terrorists are in Tel Aviv and they are ALL Israelis, their sights set on Greater Israel. The US is being used and Israel is NO ally.

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Momin's avatar

The EVIL has crossed all red lines !! Even more outrageous is the complicity of USA.

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Karen Ashikeh LaMantia's avatar

Now the world is learning about how it feels to be someone, individual, state or nation that is "in the way" , becuae you are not one of them. It can be because you are not white, are not willing to bow to a fearful leader, or because you actually can evaluate safe, moral and effective action, in the world. Nothing is more dangerous than that last category. People of Israel, consider using that last criteria for control of your cooperation with your government. You can just say no more.

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Geoff Nash's avatar

Is its israel focus on starting a world war? I for one would not support a war to defend israel.

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Joan Fregapane's avatar

A Harris/Walz administration would have been more open to sanctioning Israel and pressing for a Palestinian state. A Trump return was always going to be a worse disaster for the Palestinian people. Trump’s blind allegiance to Israel is based mostly on those Huckabee fans who are for some reason excited for these ridiculous ‘end times.’

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Nancy's avatar

Nonsense. The Biden Administration had plenty of chances to sanction Israel. Instead, it armed Israel, vetoed any attempts by the U.N. to hold Israel to account, and criticized students and other protesters. Biden even lied about seeing photos of Israeli babies beheaded by Hamas. That statement had to be retracted by the White House, as there were no such photos. (Feel free to research reports of this in the MSM). Harris continued to criticize protesters during her campaign. I will never forgive the Democratic Party nor its apologists for this betrayal.

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Joan Fregapane's avatar

I agree. I still think Harris would have been a better choice. Good enough? I don’t know. I suspect that a Harris Administration would not have as effective for Palestinian rights as even I would want. I do firmly believe that they would have pulled the worst offensive weapons and would have pushed hard for food and medical relief efforts.

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Fran Carbonaro's avatar

Harris had her chance and didn't take it; she didn't give an inch. Both parties are corrupt, bought & paid for by AIPAC. Let the whole House of Cards collapse. ISRAEL OUT OF THE US, our politics, our banks, our universities, etc., ad nauseam.

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Virma's avatar

I’ve begun to think that when Israel feels totally wrong-footed in international relations, that they drop good old American bombs on one Arabic country or another.

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Protect the Vote's avatar

Kars for Kids: Part of the American Jewish Propaganda Machine(AJPM)

The Jewish AIPAC(American Israel Public Affairs Committee) knows how to throw their weight around They terminated Jamaal Bowman’s political career and then later Andy Levine a Jewish fellow who made the mistake of going counter to the AJPM

The Kars for Kids ad that frequently shows on MSNBC is a front for the American Jewish community, a nonprofit that raises funds for youth development, educational, and mentoring programs by accepting car and property donations How much of that money goes back to the motherland to fund the Israeli genocide?

It’s great that prominent Jewish celebrities like Jon Stewart and Peter Beinart to stand up against the AJPM and voice their criticism of the Israeli government about the Israeli country’s Holocaust of the Palestinian people Even mass protests are occurring in Israel against this horrific humanitarian atrocity being waged against the Palestinians Zohran Mamdami has even bridged this cultural gap with the NY Jewish population who have supported his candidacy for NY mayor The DNC should pay attention and not be influenced by such people as Simon Rosenberg(Hopium Chronicles substack channel….consider not supporting)

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Nevin Oliphant's avatar

As Rula Jebreal observed, Trump's occupation of American cities is US policy in Palestine brought to America. Israel was created in the 1948 Zionist terrorist attack in Palestine, rewarded by global recognition. "Never again" for Zionists means use terrorism first. That's now Trump policy in the US.

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Danial Taqui's avatar

All the Petro Dollar Muslim Countries, have invested all their wealth, heavily in the US and other European countries, and the Zionists control that.

They never learned a lesson from Iran, after the fall of the Shah. It could be their fate in the Future.

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Christopher Farry's avatar

The current version of Israel, is racist, fascist inhuman and just fill of hate. How given the actions recently and since early last century, anyone could see them as a liberal democratic state is very confusing. The current government is driving antisemitism, radical extremism, and a cycle of attack and retribution that history has shown benefits only the very few. Why do "the vast majority" put up with it. It will come back to bite us all. Thanks again Zeta-Jones for insights

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