Now Israel believes that parts of Lebanon are also the promised land. Their greed knows no bounds. I'm sure the U.S. will help make that a reality. Netanyahu is making sure Israel sucks the life out of the U.S. and everyone else. What happened to the U.N. didn't they have a peacekeeping force? Why is everybody scared of a tiny state of only 9 million people, 2 million are Arabs? They have the gall to attack all surrounding countries and the west seems to be OK with that. This is the world upside down.
Well, Zionists did ally with Nazis. Zionists did sell other Jews out to the Nazis in order to gain safe passage to Palestine. The Zionists and the Nazis were bedfellows. When they said, "never again", they left out the quiet part, ["to us"].
I do not mean for this to sound antisemitic, but sometimes I wonder if these western countries are glad to have Israel exist for Jews to go to, similar to the motivations behind why they supported the creation of Israel in the first place....
They've been after Hezbollah for years and years. It was actually some Israeli government people, like Ben G'vir who said that, not me, it's the Israelis that hold that view. Knowing their sense of entitlement I am not in the least surprised.
You are living proof of propaganda of Israel and its record of killing thousands and thousands with impunity while it plays the victim card. What war of invasion of its neighbors has ever happened by Iran? Lebanon? Gaza, Palestine? Do not mention Kuwait—that was a controversial move by USA.
There are literally plans to settle in south Lebanon. What are you talking about? The maps and ideas are out there for everyone to read. From israeli think tanks to israeli media like Haaretz, Jerusalem Post and Times of Israel. Everyone can read and hear what politicians and others are saying and writing. Please...
Everyone left to right is complicit in completely minimizing this genocide. For the life of me, I can’t understand why nearly everyone trots the nonsensical 40K number around. It’s absolutely shameful. I’ve been seeing that number for months and months and months of endless killing. Stop using the meaningless number! That *might* be 10% percent of the actual Palestinians dead. The 6 million Jewish dead in the Holocaust was a scientific estimate of *all causes* and yet, only 40K Palestinians will ever be dead, however long this madness goes on.
I am not seeing us as trying to serve the interests of the Zionist movement. Rather it seems we thought the Zionist movement would be the way for the US to keep control of Middle East oil. But that is proving unworkable -- we were aligned with Zionism as long as it was effective. But it seems to be getting too shockingly hateful to be effective -- it is now turning the world against us and Israel.
Not to mention that Saudi Arabia is also apparently within the "promised land." Saudis were buddying up to Israel until Israel went after Lebanon, and Iran entered the chat.
So now we are at an impasse. We lose Gulf oil one way or the other. We either have to renounce Zionism or Iran will blow up oil infrastructure. Russia is leaping at the opportunity (Russia chastising Israel for invading a foreign country, LOL!), confirming what this has been about all along. Not to mention that if the US economy tanks, fascism will be strengthened.
Tim Walz was actually pretty clear that the *expansion* of Israel is critical for the US. Not because we support Zionism, but because we support our access to Gulf oil, our economy, ultimately our democracy. But what is our democracy if it means Israel's unconscionable behavior all over the Middle East? Can't win this one.
All these actions serve to destabilize us right before the election: Israel invading Lebanon, attacking Yemen, Syria, and Iran. Iran attacking Israel. Russia entering the fray. They all want Trump, no?
Biden thought supporting this egregious situation might reduce election interference, at home and abroad, and pacify those who benefit from war machines. Allow democracy in the US to live another day.
I don't have reason to believe Biden is trying to get Trump elected. But he has tried to safeguard Democratic party victory by supporting the atrocities in Gaza and now Lebanon. Didn't work. Israel is doing everything to cause a crisis weeks from the election.
Talked to to a friend who is American/Lebanese, and recently left Lebanon. She said many Israelis believe Lebanon is not a country, and instead a place where Hezbollah hangs out to create trouble. That’s why Netanyahu is trying to expand the region for himself, he thinks it belongs to him and Israel. US does know this, and the same that’s happening in Gaza is now happening in Lebanon.
Netanyahu is governing the world, even though the people are reacting, not many leaders do. The West is now a dictatorship under Netanyahu. How embarrassing and so weak!
20 billion sent in support of Israeli genocide not many weeks ago. And now another 8.7 billion, a total of 28.7 billions that could be applied to US disaster relief as the US continues to support Israel’s ever expanding war agenda. This is an insult to Americans and a betrayal to all affected Middle East countries. The Republican Party is a dangerous cult and the Democratic Party seems hell bent on upstaging them.
It is so difficult to understand how American governments, time after time, both Democrat and Republican have supported Israel. As a British born and Naturalized American, I used to think that it was because of the guilt carried by all Americans after the boats carrying Jewish refugees in WWII were turned away, and had to return to Germany, where those same refugees were exterminated along with others. Whilst that was ongoing, various countries like Britain and France were not only fighting the Nazis in Europe, but also trying to help Jews escape. The British alone helped hundreds, whilst America refused entry. But as time moves on, surely it is now time to leave all that behind? Thousands of Jews were allowed at the end of the war to settle here, and America somehow paid the debt for the earlier inhumane actions. It is well past time to allow Israel to defend itself without our military aid, which was given ONLY to help Israel defend itself, and NOT to be used for warmongering as it is doing now. We are helping the Israeli government murder thousands of innocent people. Why on earth does Biden or his administration- including V.P. Harris continue to give them a free pass - ALWAYS a free pass. It is unconscionable that our weapons are now killing people in Lebanon as well as in Gaza. Biden was very late to help Americans leave Lebanon, whilst other countries had already evacuated their citizens. What hold does the arrogant thug Netanyahu have over our President? Could the defense companies and the military machine be the answer? Do we make a boatload of money from all of this? It may sound cynical, but what else could be the reason for this continuing assistance that assists in killing families who only ask for freedom? This disgusts me as much as the killing of our school children by guys with military style guns- and we know that the gun manufacturers and NRA money to politicians are the reasons nothing is done to stop those murders.
Yes, listen to the world at large and they will tell you what the US is. The US is what the US does. Our national budget tells you what we value. More than 50% of your hard earned tax dollars are given to the military budget.
"What hold does the arrogant thug Netanyahu have over our President? Could the defense companies and the military machine be the answer? Do we make a boatload of money from all of this? It may sound cynical, but what else could be the reason for this continuing assistance that assists in killing families who only ask for freedom?"
Money alone does not explain it. It is not merely Netanyahu's control over Biden. It is the Zionists' control over Western governments for more than 100 years. It is Zionist control over Western media, politicians and their campaign funding. Go do research. The canard of "antisemitic conspiracy" is dying because the truth is out there.
"So we’re left with the possibility that the highest rungs are behaving this way not because it’s good politics, or in accordance with international law or aims for peace, but in spite of those aims.
Just this week, the State Department said out loud: “We've never wanted to see a diplomatic resolution with Hamas.” A Lebanese official said Nasrallah agreed to a ceasefire before he was killed — which some US officials don’t dispute; senior White House officials quietly encouraged Israel to escalate in Lebanon while publicly claiming to be against it."
I feel such a fool, having spent so much energy on pleading with my elected officials to apply pressure on Israel, on reminding them that they have that power---they were laughing the whole time: Israel is doing exactly what the US wants it to do. Our reps don't give a flying fuck about what we, the tax payers, want; about what we, who hired them, want. The Lobby is all powerful, and congress and the executive fall right in line (with a few, very few notable exceptions of course). What I can't fathom is how short-sighted they are: losing Michigan to Trump may well change all our world for the worse (save, of course, for the arms dealers, who only care about this year's bottom line). Sad that valuing human life seems an afterthought.
Remember the excuse for attacking Afghanistan? Might as well have been Gaza, fighting Hamas as a terrorist organization for retaliating against Israeli attacks in Gaza. Same reasoning. What became of Afghanistan? The so-called terrorists now rule the country, and NATO backed off. Twenty years later. 176,000 civilians died. An unnecessary amount of soldiers also died. The big picture here is this...once an organization is labeled a terrorist group, civilians die and the world doesn't seem to question the warfare. Is Putins government a terrorist group? Is Irans?
Maybe we need to examine the persuasive power behind calling groups terrorists.
Now Israel believes that parts of Lebanon are also the promised land. Their greed knows no bounds. I'm sure the U.S. will help make that a reality. Netanyahu is making sure Israel sucks the life out of the U.S. and everyone else. What happened to the U.N. didn't they have a peacekeeping force? Why is everybody scared of a tiny state of only 9 million people, 2 million are Arabs? They have the gall to attack all surrounding countries and the west seems to be OK with that. This is the world upside down.
Israel needs the, uh, *lebensraum*.
Bang on, absolutely right! And consider where that comes from originally. These particular Israelis learned a lot at the knees of the Nazis.
The ultimate irony James, as they have become what they said must never happen again.
Well, Zionists did ally with Nazis. Zionists did sell other Jews out to the Nazis in order to gain safe passage to Palestine. The Zionists and the Nazis were bedfellows. When they said, "never again", they left out the quiet part, ["to us"].
I do not mean for this to sound antisemitic, but sometimes I wonder if these western countries are glad to have Israel exist for Jews to go to, similar to the motivations behind why they supported the creation of Israel in the first place....
Wrong, Israel wants no part of Lebanon. Israel is in Lebanon because Iran's Hezbollah has used it a a staging grounds to attack Israel.
They've been after Hezbollah for years and years. It was actually some Israeli government people, like Ben G'vir who said that, not me, it's the Israelis that hold that view. Knowing their sense of entitlement I am not in the least surprised.
You are living proof of propaganda of Israel and its record of killing thousands and thousands with impunity while it plays the victim card. What war of invasion of its neighbors has ever happened by Iran? Lebanon? Gaza, Palestine? Do not mention Kuwait—that was a controversial move by USA.
Wrong.
Eretz Israel has always been the plan.
https://rossingcenter.org/judaisms/eretz-israel/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud
There are literally plans to settle in south Lebanon. What are you talking about? The maps and ideas are out there for everyone to read. From israeli think tanks to israeli media like Haaretz, Jerusalem Post and Times of Israel. Everyone can read and hear what politicians and others are saying and writing. Please...
Thank you for continuing to tell the truth Prem even if so few of us are willing to listen and demand that we force Israel to stop the slaughter.
Everyone left to right is complicit in completely minimizing this genocide. For the life of me, I can’t understand why nearly everyone trots the nonsensical 40K number around. It’s absolutely shameful. I’ve been seeing that number for months and months and months of endless killing. Stop using the meaningless number! That *might* be 10% percent of the actual Palestinians dead. The 6 million Jewish dead in the Holocaust was a scientific estimate of *all causes* and yet, only 40K Palestinians will ever be dead, however long this madness goes on.
Thank you. Everything is dying in Gaza. Everything.
They don't give a damn about Americans. We are all expendable.
I am not seeing us as trying to serve the interests of the Zionist movement. Rather it seems we thought the Zionist movement would be the way for the US to keep control of Middle East oil. But that is proving unworkable -- we were aligned with Zionism as long as it was effective. But it seems to be getting too shockingly hateful to be effective -- it is now turning the world against us and Israel.
Not to mention that Saudi Arabia is also apparently within the "promised land." Saudis were buddying up to Israel until Israel went after Lebanon, and Iran entered the chat.
So now we are at an impasse. We lose Gulf oil one way or the other. We either have to renounce Zionism or Iran will blow up oil infrastructure. Russia is leaping at the opportunity (Russia chastising Israel for invading a foreign country, LOL!), confirming what this has been about all along. Not to mention that if the US economy tanks, fascism will be strengthened.
Tim Walz was actually pretty clear that the *expansion* of Israel is critical for the US. Not because we support Zionism, but because we support our access to Gulf oil, our economy, ultimately our democracy. But what is our democracy if it means Israel's unconscionable behavior all over the Middle East? Can't win this one.
All these actions serve to destabilize us right before the election: Israel invading Lebanon, attacking Yemen, Syria, and Iran. Iran attacking Israel. Russia entering the fray. They all want Trump, no?
Yes. You’re absolutely spot on. The Democrats seem to have one goal. Return Trump to the presidency.
Not what I was saying.
Biden thought supporting this egregious situation might reduce election interference, at home and abroad, and pacify those who benefit from war machines. Allow democracy in the US to live another day.
Now I really don’t know what you’re saying.
I don't have reason to believe Biden is trying to get Trump elected. But he has tried to safeguard Democratic party victory by supporting the atrocities in Gaza and now Lebanon. Didn't work. Israel is doing everything to cause a crisis weeks from the election.
Yes. Seems so. Oil is the gold standard
Ain’t that the fucking truth. Only human beings would, could be so FUCKING STUPID!
Talked to to a friend who is American/Lebanese, and recently left Lebanon. She said many Israelis believe Lebanon is not a country, and instead a place where Hezbollah hangs out to create trouble. That’s why Netanyahu is trying to expand the region for himself, he thinks it belongs to him and Israel. US does know this, and the same that’s happening in Gaza is now happening in Lebanon.
Netanyahu is governing the world, even though the people are reacting, not many leaders do. The West is now a dictatorship under Netanyahu. How embarrassing and so weak!
Netanyahu and his Cabinet are Psychotic Zionist Racist Jewish Supremacist Genocider and Ethnic Cleanser! DISGUSTING NAZIS!
20 billion sent in support of Israeli genocide not many weeks ago. And now another 8.7 billion, a total of 28.7 billions that could be applied to US disaster relief as the US continues to support Israel’s ever expanding war agenda. This is an insult to Americans and a betrayal to all affected Middle East countries. The Republican Party is a dangerous cult and the Democratic Party seems hell bent on upstaging them.
You mean KILLINg Millions to allow a criminal to steal land and resources.
It is so difficult to understand how American governments, time after time, both Democrat and Republican have supported Israel. As a British born and Naturalized American, I used to think that it was because of the guilt carried by all Americans after the boats carrying Jewish refugees in WWII were turned away, and had to return to Germany, where those same refugees were exterminated along with others. Whilst that was ongoing, various countries like Britain and France were not only fighting the Nazis in Europe, but also trying to help Jews escape. The British alone helped hundreds, whilst America refused entry. But as time moves on, surely it is now time to leave all that behind? Thousands of Jews were allowed at the end of the war to settle here, and America somehow paid the debt for the earlier inhumane actions. It is well past time to allow Israel to defend itself without our military aid, which was given ONLY to help Israel defend itself, and NOT to be used for warmongering as it is doing now. We are helping the Israeli government murder thousands of innocent people. Why on earth does Biden or his administration- including V.P. Harris continue to give them a free pass - ALWAYS a free pass. It is unconscionable that our weapons are now killing people in Lebanon as well as in Gaza. Biden was very late to help Americans leave Lebanon, whilst other countries had already evacuated their citizens. What hold does the arrogant thug Netanyahu have over our President? Could the defense companies and the military machine be the answer? Do we make a boatload of money from all of this? It may sound cynical, but what else could be the reason for this continuing assistance that assists in killing families who only ask for freedom? This disgusts me as much as the killing of our school children by guys with military style guns- and we know that the gun manufacturers and NRA money to politicians are the reasons nothing is done to stop those murders.
"Beware of the military industrial complex"- Ike
Yes, listen to the world at large and they will tell you what the US is. The US is what the US does. Our national budget tells you what we value. More than 50% of your hard earned tax dollars are given to the military budget.
"What hold does the arrogant thug Netanyahu have over our President? Could the defense companies and the military machine be the answer? Do we make a boatload of money from all of this? It may sound cynical, but what else could be the reason for this continuing assistance that assists in killing families who only ask for freedom?"
Money alone does not explain it. It is not merely Netanyahu's control over Biden. It is the Zionists' control over Western governments for more than 100 years. It is Zionist control over Western media, politicians and their campaign funding. Go do research. The canard of "antisemitic conspiracy" is dying because the truth is out there.
Here is a starter:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/05/16/business-leaders-chat-group-eric-adams-columbia-protesters/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/05/10/the-influencer?printable=true
https://mondoweiss.net/2010/05/a-one-issue-guy-saban-funded-brookings-as-his-personal-power-ranger/
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby
https://theintercept.com/2019/02/11/ilhan-omar-israel-lobby-documentary/
INFURIATING!!! "NOT IN OUR NAME!"
"So we’re left with the possibility that the highest rungs are behaving this way not because it’s good politics, or in accordance with international law or aims for peace, but in spite of those aims.
Just this week, the State Department said out loud: “We've never wanted to see a diplomatic resolution with Hamas.” A Lebanese official said Nasrallah agreed to a ceasefire before he was killed — which some US officials don’t dispute; senior White House officials quietly encouraged Israel to escalate in Lebanon while publicly claiming to be against it."
I feel such a fool, having spent so much energy on pleading with my elected officials to apply pressure on Israel, on reminding them that they have that power---they were laughing the whole time: Israel is doing exactly what the US wants it to do. Our reps don't give a flying fuck about what we, the tax payers, want; about what we, who hired them, want. The Lobby is all powerful, and congress and the executive fall right in line (with a few, very few notable exceptions of course). What I can't fathom is how short-sighted they are: losing Michigan to Trump may well change all our world for the worse (save, of course, for the arms dealers, who only care about this year's bottom line). Sad that valuing human life seems an afterthought.
The US role in Gaza and now Lebanon has been atrocious. The ICC needs to bring charges against Biden for enabling genocide!
Excellent summary
Remember the excuse for attacking Afghanistan? Might as well have been Gaza, fighting Hamas as a terrorist organization for retaliating against Israeli attacks in Gaza. Same reasoning. What became of Afghanistan? The so-called terrorists now rule the country, and NATO backed off. Twenty years later. 176,000 civilians died. An unnecessary amount of soldiers also died. The big picture here is this...once an organization is labeled a terrorist group, civilians die and the world doesn't seem to question the warfare. Is Putins government a terrorist group? Is Irans?
Maybe we need to examine the persuasive power behind calling groups terrorists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_8189.htm