Our senators threatning the ICC with retaliation if it issues warrants against the Israeli genocidal maniancs and Hamas freedom fighters is more like a mafia move then geo politics.
Set aside this letter from Senators who truly don’t give a shit, and are simply posturing. I find the characterization “Israeli genocidal maniacs” and “Hamas freedom fighters” quite disturbing and poorly informed. Suggesting a complete lack of understanding of the actual situation with this conflict. Not to mention the historical facts of the region.
I'm pretty sure Medhi and most of the Zeteo staff disagree with you. Which makes me wonder about the lens through which you have understood the "actual situation with this conflict."
How about I move into your house and send you to an open air prison and surround you with machine gun nests and not allow you to leave and how about I cut your water , electricity off and block any food from getting to you and your family..would you not call me a terrorist or would you say I am somehow defending myself for commiting these barbarities against you?
So, Sam Harris and John Spencer? Harris has already shown that he drinks the Zionist Kool-Aid of Islamophobia. Spencer's boss is the Commander-in-Chief, who has shown that he, like pretty much every POTUS before him, is another in a long line of Zionist manchurian candidates, trained to hate Muslims and pretend they all are terrorists. That's a lens you have chosen. I suggest that there are other more accurate ones. A sampling of which are debating with you in these comments.
they are the children and grand children of the people whose homes & land were stolen from them since 1948 Why did the US not stop the settlers from invading areas of Palestine against the boundaries agreed upon when the State of Israel was create? They are freedom fighters and that is a fact
Hamas has led to a loss of freedom to Palestinians. That’s also a fact.
Cheering on Hamas is as much of a step away from a solution as cheering on the most right wing Israelis.
Debating the language of who is a “freedom fighter” is a big mistake that makes a solution impossible. What we ought to all want is freedom, including freedom from “freedom fighters”.
You seem to have no issue when the Israelis refer to the Palestinians as human animals, yet you get offended if someone calls Hamas freedom fighters? Really?
so if you keep beating someone up for years, are you not permitted to retaliate? If someone raped your sister, mother or you - would you just lie back and say more please? fact is Hamas was elected just as Satanyahu was - both are evil in their own way. I come from South Africa and saw the US & Israel hypocrisy by their support, funding & arming of the white Nationalist Party (many were supporters of Hitler and the Nazis and did not hide the fact) - who are the terrorists here? The USA & Israel and its lawless IDF - in the opinion of the Global South
So what do you call the American freedom fighters who were fighting the brits to gain freedom and free their land of the oppressors? Please call spade a spade and so not have a double standard. Throughot history all colonial powers have referred to freesom fighters incorrectly as terrorists since it serves their false narrative. Didnt the south african apartheid regime called the ANC a terrorist group? Actually most countries did and they were all WRONG , just like you are.
So you must think of the American freedom fighters who were fighting against the British as terrorists? Guess what, the Brits called the American freedlm fighters terrorists just like you are calling the Hamas terrorists. The real terrorists are the occupiers. I am sure you would have a differnet point of view if I was occupying your home while you stay in an open air prison.
Freedom is when someone fights the oppressor in this case Israel. This facist government has been oppressing Palestinians for 75 years, stealing their land, muudering their women and children. The world has had enough of this nonsense and barbarity.
Do you understand the actual situation? The murder, starvation and displacement of Palestinians since 1948 is the real issue as the land was stolen by Britain & the US and given away to people they did not want the ships of refugee Jews to dock at your harbours post World War 2. This did not start on October 07. How do you justify starving people, cutting off water & electricity? How do you justify the destruction of almost every hospital and every university? Do you know what Abrahamic religions are? Did you know that we all follow the same scriptures? Yet Palestinians because they are Muslims and a darker tone than you are get dehumanised. FACT Israel = ZionNazis and the irony of them becoming exactly what they one feared and hated and President "Outrageous" has not done America any favours. No wonder the Global South is turning away from the US who are bullies at best especially when things don't go their way. The tide has turned, this is a brace new world who will not be forced by the US to follow what they deem to be the world order
If you support Isreal then you absolutely support starving people, collective punishment and murder of over 40K mostly women and children who were non-combatants, but hey who cares since they are all human animals right?
Its you who have a lack of understanding, not I. Israel.is already under investigation by the ICC for commiting genocide and soon warrants will be issued for the Hitler of Israel. Big daddy US won't be able to save these murdering criminals and thugs. A land thieve and a muderer can not claim a right to defend himself. Would you treat nicely a burglar broke into your home? And stole your house and land? I don't know about you but most people would shoot first and ask queations later. Do not try to defend a country that steals land, and murders women and children with impunity. Wake the F up and open your eyes. Ask yourself if Israel was doing the same to your family what your reaction would be.
There is much I still need to learn and still understand about all of this..And I have taken a critical eye on much that Netanyahu has done, he must be removed as does his government. But it is my observation that it seems no one is listening to that conversation with Sam Harris & John Spencer who I might add has been on the ground in Gaza several times since 10/7/23. However, the common thread in this discussion, that has been like most reporting, which I referenced in my last comment, no one is speaking to the facts I have laid out vis-à- vis Hamas. That is quite telling, given the history of this chunk of land is indisputable. The question of, where are the surrounding Muslim countries helping to root out Hamas and provide sanctuary to the Palestinian people during this Hamas provoked war? Again, their apparent indifference is all over this. And as I have come to understand had been for a very very long time.
None of us are there, and many of the reporting is not coming from there. They are second hand accounts, as I understand it. What I do know is that hatred towards Jews is just about the oldest hate there is.
Trista Parsi is perhaps the most insightful contributor I have observed in these convoluted complicated times. I gained so much for this conversation with him. With either Biden or Trump is at the helm following the next election, the US influence in the world is shot. Just as previous world powers have come and gone, America has squandered its ability to be a positive force globally. It actually appears we’ve moved on to world pariah. It’s interesting that the US created the problem of Iran by spearheading the removal of a democratically elected leader and installing the Shah. This is just one of so many examples of undemocratic influence the US has injected into countries around the world. With this new ICC ruling, the gig is up. Some western countries will push back, but Eastern European countries are realizing they better count on one another and not the US. And with the lunacy outside countries are witnessing emanating from the US, the US will increasing be seen as not a partner but as a military power to fear.
I was reading a chapter from Mehdi Hassan book and found it interesting how he hit the first ICC prosecutor with receipts. He had no reply bro the fact Africans are disproportionately targeted under his watch
Yes, Africans were disproportionately prosecuted, but it were mostly due to there fact that the legal system in their home (African) countries were not strong enough to do the prosecutions themselves. The US & Australia have prosecuted a few soldiers for war crimes done in Afghanistan &/ Iraq.
Israel can avoid the prospect of ICC prosecutions by conducting the prosecutions themselves, not only of all the Israeli supporters of the genocide, but also of Hamas. But instead of going into Gaza to arrest the Hamas perpetrators, Israel send in the IDF to identify & “extra-judicial” kill any potential suspects of Oct 7 massacre.
What does a strong legal system look like? I mean is there some set criteria to say this is strong icc won't go there, this is week icc will go after them.
Chuckles at USA having a strong legal system to deal with this, remind me how many soldiers have been prosecuted for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes, Africans were disproportionately prosecuted, but it were mostly due to there fact that the legal system in their home (African) countries were not strong enough to do the prosecutions themselves. The US & Australia have prosecuted a few soldiers for war crimes done in Afghanistan &/ Iraq.
Israel can avoid the prospect of ICC prosecutions by conducting the prosecutions themselves, not only of all the Israeli supporters of the genocide, but also of Hamas. But instead of going into Gaza to arrest the Hamas perpetrators, Israel send in the IDF to identify & “extra-judicial” kill any potential suspects of Oct 7 massacre.
That's why zeteo is so awesome. The best and most informed guests for each topic and very interesting conversations and reporting.
But my fear regarding the ICC thing is that the judges will issue arrest warrants for the three Hamas leaders but won't for Netanyahu and Galant. The ICC always has been an instrument for western hegemony with very little credibility and I very much fear this won't change now.
I hope i`m wrong and you are correct. But let`s not forget how political loaded this court is. I hope the judges follow Khan`s leadership here and isuues the warrants.
Just as Iranians largely refused to participate in their election just to give their regime legitimacy, I will refuse to participate in our own election if the choices are gong to be between a Joenocide and an Orange Traitor. I will not legitimize this corrupt system with my vote.
I think the US and Western European countries will do the impossible to protect BB and compromise the ICC warrants if they are issued. It will be interesting to see how far they go. Surely, they will be increasingly isolated on the global arena and will lose credibility as a “democracy”, but it will be a fascinating watch.
Lovelies, Mehdi, Mr. Luis and the wonderful Mes. Francesca you are all Magnificent, your voices and courage is appreciated more than you can imagine 💖💖💖
I hope I had some optimistic point of view or faith in all that is coming out regarding to these warrants, I honestly don't think anything will come out of this, just empty words 😞😞😞
Our senators threatning the ICC with retaliation if it issues warrants against the Israeli genocidal maniancs and Hamas freedom fighters is more like a mafia move then geo politics.
This is exactly as you have put it and they are not even hiding it anymore.
We are getting ourselves more and more isolated in the world stage and few are willing to dance to our tune now.
Set aside this letter from Senators who truly don’t give a shit, and are simply posturing. I find the characterization “Israeli genocidal maniacs” and “Hamas freedom fighters” quite disturbing and poorly informed. Suggesting a complete lack of understanding of the actual situation with this conflict. Not to mention the historical facts of the region.
I'm pretty sure Medhi and most of the Zeteo staff disagree with you. Which makes me wonder about the lens through which you have understood the "actual situation with this conflict."
How about I move into your house and send you to an open air prison and surround you with machine gun nests and not allow you to leave and how about I cut your water , electricity off and block any food from getting to you and your family..would you not call me a terrorist or would you say I am somehow defending myself for commiting these barbarities against you?
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-harris/id733163012?i=1000654855458
So, Sam Harris and John Spencer? Harris has already shown that he drinks the Zionist Kool-Aid of Islamophobia. Spencer's boss is the Commander-in-Chief, who has shown that he, like pretty much every POTUS before him, is another in a long line of Zionist manchurian candidates, trained to hate Muslims and pretend they all are terrorists. That's a lens you have chosen. I suggest that there are other more accurate ones. A sampling of which are debating with you in these comments.
If the Zeteo staff and Mehdi agree with “Hamas freedom fighters” they don’t understand what freedom is.
they are the children and grand children of the people whose homes & land were stolen from them since 1948 Why did the US not stop the settlers from invading areas of Palestine against the boundaries agreed upon when the State of Israel was create? They are freedom fighters and that is a fact
Hamas has led to a loss of freedom to Palestinians. That’s also a fact.
Cheering on Hamas is as much of a step away from a solution as cheering on the most right wing Israelis.
Debating the language of who is a “freedom fighter” is a big mistake that makes a solution impossible. What we ought to all want is freedom, including freedom from “freedom fighters”.
You seem to have no issue when the Israelis refer to the Palestinians as human animals, yet you get offended if someone calls Hamas freedom fighters? Really?
so if you keep beating someone up for years, are you not permitted to retaliate? If someone raped your sister, mother or you - would you just lie back and say more please? fact is Hamas was elected just as Satanyahu was - both are evil in their own way. I come from South Africa and saw the US & Israel hypocrisy by their support, funding & arming of the white Nationalist Party (many were supporters of Hitler and the Nazis and did not hide the fact) - who are the terrorists here? The USA & Israel and its lawless IDF - in the opinion of the Global South
So what do you call the American freedom fighters who were fighting the brits to gain freedom and free their land of the oppressors? Please call spade a spade and so not have a double standard. Throughot history all colonial powers have referred to freesom fighters incorrectly as terrorists since it serves their false narrative. Didnt the south african apartheid regime called the ANC a terrorist group? Actually most countries did and they were all WRONG , just like you are.
So you must think of the American freedom fighters who were fighting against the British as terrorists? Guess what, the Brits called the American freedlm fighters terrorists just like you are calling the Hamas terrorists. The real terrorists are the occupiers. I am sure you would have a differnet point of view if I was occupying your home while you stay in an open air prison.
Freedom is when someone fights the oppressor in this case Israel. This facist government has been oppressing Palestinians for 75 years, stealing their land, muudering their women and children. The world has had enough of this nonsense and barbarity.
Do you understand the actual situation? The murder, starvation and displacement of Palestinians since 1948 is the real issue as the land was stolen by Britain & the US and given away to people they did not want the ships of refugee Jews to dock at your harbours post World War 2. This did not start on October 07. How do you justify starving people, cutting off water & electricity? How do you justify the destruction of almost every hospital and every university? Do you know what Abrahamic religions are? Did you know that we all follow the same scriptures? Yet Palestinians because they are Muslims and a darker tone than you are get dehumanised. FACT Israel = ZionNazis and the irony of them becoming exactly what they one feared and hated and President "Outrageous" has not done America any favours. No wonder the Global South is turning away from the US who are bullies at best especially when things don't go their way. The tide has turned, this is a brace new world who will not be forced by the US to follow what they deem to be the world order
I do not endorse war crimes, I do not endorse starving people. Listen to this:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-harris/id733163012?i=1000654855458
If you support Isreal then you absolutely support starving people, collective punishment and murder of over 40K mostly women and children who were non-combatants, but hey who cares since they are all human animals right?
Its you who have a lack of understanding, not I. Israel.is already under investigation by the ICC for commiting genocide and soon warrants will be issued for the Hitler of Israel. Big daddy US won't be able to save these murdering criminals and thugs. A land thieve and a muderer can not claim a right to defend himself. Would you treat nicely a burglar broke into your home? And stole your house and land? I don't know about you but most people would shoot first and ask queations later. Do not try to defend a country that steals land, and murders women and children with impunity. Wake the F up and open your eyes. Ask yourself if Israel was doing the same to your family what your reaction would be.
Hear John Spencer speak with Sam Harris in this podcast.
why would anyone listen to americans no 1 bigot, Sam Harris?
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286
If Israel is supposedly so great at urban warfare, why do they set snipers on hospitals to kill indiscriminately, and drop 2000lb bombs on tents?
https://x.com/MalcolmNance/status/1795532958973272385
There is much I still need to learn and still understand about all of this..And I have taken a critical eye on much that Netanyahu has done, he must be removed as does his government. But it is my observation that it seems no one is listening to that conversation with Sam Harris & John Spencer who I might add has been on the ground in Gaza several times since 10/7/23. However, the common thread in this discussion, that has been like most reporting, which I referenced in my last comment, no one is speaking to the facts I have laid out vis-à- vis Hamas. That is quite telling, given the history of this chunk of land is indisputable. The question of, where are the surrounding Muslim countries helping to root out Hamas and provide sanctuary to the Palestinian people during this Hamas provoked war? Again, their apparent indifference is all over this. And as I have come to understand had been for a very very long time.
None of us are there, and many of the reporting is not coming from there. They are second hand accounts, as I understand it. What I do know is that hatred towards Jews is just about the oldest hate there is.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-harris/id733163012?i=1000654855458
Trista Parsi is perhaps the most insightful contributor I have observed in these convoluted complicated times. I gained so much for this conversation with him. With either Biden or Trump is at the helm following the next election, the US influence in the world is shot. Just as previous world powers have come and gone, America has squandered its ability to be a positive force globally. It actually appears we’ve moved on to world pariah. It’s interesting that the US created the problem of Iran by spearheading the removal of a democratically elected leader and installing the Shah. This is just one of so many examples of undemocratic influence the US has injected into countries around the world. With this new ICC ruling, the gig is up. Some western countries will push back, but Eastern European countries are realizing they better count on one another and not the US. And with the lunacy outside countries are witnessing emanating from the US, the US will increasing be seen as not a partner but as a military power to fear.
Loving your work Mehdi
Bush and Biden are WMD war criminals that third party candidates have condemned.
I was reading a chapter from Mehdi Hassan book and found it interesting how he hit the first ICC prosecutor with receipts. He had no reply bro the fact Africans are disproportionately targeted under his watch
Yes, Africans were disproportionately prosecuted, but it were mostly due to there fact that the legal system in their home (African) countries were not strong enough to do the prosecutions themselves. The US & Australia have prosecuted a few soldiers for war crimes done in Afghanistan &/ Iraq.
Israel can avoid the prospect of ICC prosecutions by conducting the prosecutions themselves, not only of all the Israeli supporters of the genocide, but also of Hamas. But instead of going into Gaza to arrest the Hamas perpetrators, Israel send in the IDF to identify & “extra-judicial” kill any potential suspects of Oct 7 massacre.
So you prefer the murderer to investigate his own crime? Really? How many IDF butchers have been convicted by an Istaeli court ?
What does a strong legal system look like? I mean is there some set criteria to say this is strong icc won't go there, this is week icc will go after them.
Chuckles at USA having a strong legal system to deal with this, remind me how many soldiers have been prosecuted for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes, Africans were disproportionately prosecuted, but it were mostly due to there fact that the legal system in their home (African) countries were not strong enough to do the prosecutions themselves. The US & Australia have prosecuted a few soldiers for war crimes done in Afghanistan &/ Iraq.
Israel can avoid the prospect of ICC prosecutions by conducting the prosecutions themselves, not only of all the Israeli supporters of the genocide, but also of Hamas. But instead of going into Gaza to arrest the Hamas perpetrators, Israel send in the IDF to identify & “extra-judicial” kill any potential suspects of Oct 7 massacre.
I still haven't gotten my book 😞
As always, fantastic, essential coverage and insightful, commentators. Thank you.
Shot selection and framing is a bit... awkward but this will come smooth out in time.
Why isn’t B. Smotrich on this warrant-request list?
He's not in the war cabinet
I don't understand the Hamas part why that was included in the request for an arrest warrant.
That's why zeteo is so awesome. The best and most informed guests for each topic and very interesting conversations and reporting.
But my fear regarding the ICC thing is that the judges will issue arrest warrants for the three Hamas leaders but won't for Netanyahu and Galant. The ICC always has been an instrument for western hegemony with very little credibility and I very much fear this won't change now.
But I hope I'm wrong though...
This time you may be wrong as the crime committed is very serious
I hope i`m wrong and you are correct. But let`s not forget how political loaded this court is. I hope the judges follow Khan`s leadership here and isuues the warrants.
Just as Iranians largely refused to participate in their election just to give their regime legitimacy, I will refuse to participate in our own election if the choices are gong to be between a Joenocide and an Orange Traitor. I will not legitimize this corrupt system with my vote.
Israel is committing the international law equivalent of Trump’s “I can shoot a man in broad daylight on 5th avenue & get away with it”
Mehdi your are doing a wonderful job. Thank you
I think the US and Western European countries will do the impossible to protect BB and compromise the ICC warrants if they are issued. It will be interesting to see how far they go. Surely, they will be increasingly isolated on the global arena and will lose credibility as a “democracy”, but it will be a fascinating watch.
Lovelies, Mehdi, Mr. Luis and the wonderful Mes. Francesca you are all Magnificent, your voices and courage is appreciated more than you can imagine 💖💖💖
I hope I had some optimistic point of view or faith in all that is coming out regarding to these warrants, I honestly don't think anything will come out of this, just empty words 😞😞😞
Excellent work Mehdi, best wishes
Suella getting some lessons from a student https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWQpx9xgJ1I