I don't really get it, according to Biden and the democrats, Trump is an existential threat to the US and I agree with that. And this election (even though it is said on every election) is the most important election so far in our lifetimes. But why, why in the world is the party sending a half dead corpse who can't get a sentence across…
I don't really get it, according to Biden and the democrats, Trump is an existential threat to the US and I agree with that. And this election (even though it is said on every election) is the most important election so far in our lifetimes. But why, why in the world is the party sending a half dead corpse who can't get a sentence across, let alone a point that makes sense after 2pm? I'm not an American and I don't vote in US elections, but I can't understand this! Biden, his inner circle and democratic leadership is alienating such a huge amount of voters by holding on to Biden as candidate.
Because Democrats refuse to learn from past mistakes. They did the same thing in 2016 of holding on to their most boring and milquetoast candidate because any perception of change was too much. They try to appeal to conservative moderates instead of the massive working class that doesn’t feel represented
2020 was won because of negative voter turnout against Trump, not because Biden instilled confidence and hope for lasting change. It was literally just “better than what we’ve been living through.” All those accomplishments are shadowed by his support for Israel and poor voter engagement. Again he’s been appealing to moderate independents instead of the working class just like Hillary did. I recognize the accomplishments he’s done but that’s because I’m politically engaged. Most people aren’t and that seems to often be ignored by the Democratic establishment
People didn't vote for Biden in 2020. They voted against Trump. We've had 3 calm years in which to forget how bad Trump was. And the MSM doesn't help, magnifying every slip Joe makes, but normalizing Trumps.
Of course not every single person voted that way. The thing is Biden won because of negative voter turnout not because people thought he was the best choice ever
Probably a combination of things, don't you think? Biden did actually run a campaign where he laid out lots of positive ideas like student loan forgiveness and action on climate change. Maybe a lot of his votes came from people who wanted those things?
Polls suggests it will be a close race, just as it was last time. Most post-debate polls show Trump ahead, but by 2-3%, within the margin of error. Either one of them could win it, sorry I can't be more definite than that.
And all of his former accomplishments don't really matter if most voters, even dem voters think, he's a walking corpse and is going to drop dead in the next 12 months...
The really sad thing about dementia is that people live a long time with the disease. Recently attended a conference on cognitive diseases and it was one of the points made over and over: Longevity without much quality of life. And so hard on the family. The body is there but the person is (mostly) gone. Heartbreaking.
Do you genuinely believe that policy record alone can win elections? Democrats have always been especially bad at messaging. The Democrats have to stop playing politics as if everyone sits down and looks at the numbers. His record with Israel is a bigger problem than you think as that pushes crucial demographics away from him. Biden’s perception of being too old is unfortunately a problem too. People are more motivated by flamboyant lies than quiet truths. Given that even the most accurate polling finds Biden losing to Trump, this confidence that he’ll just win seems unfounded. This isn’t 2020. At best we simply have no clue who will win in November. At worst Trump has a solid chance to return. If the Democratic establishment cared they wouldn’t have repeated so many of the same mistakes as 2016
I agree. It was just a little over a year ago, I was arguing to a friend that Trump could not win in another election. I stand corrected and humbled today. I’ve changed my tune.
It’s silly to think that the Democratic establishment didn’t have a concerted effort to have people fall in line and support Biden. They knew Biden would be the candidate well before the first votes were cast
Because the only person who chose to run against him was Dean Phillips? Is that how we knew he'd win?
Look, this isn't Putin's Russia, where competitors get jailed or fall out of windows. All the people whose names are being thrown around today (Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Whitmer, etc.) COULD have run in the primaries, and they chose NOT to. Probably because they knew they weren't likely to win. Politicians really don't like running a losing campaign.
Yes, Democratic leadership has a preference for Biden. But so do the voters who voted in Democratic primaries.
You should consider the 2020 primaries. Remember that there were several candidates that dropped out immediately after Super Tuesday despite there being plenty of the races left? They then funneled all the voters to go for Biden and against Bernie. You need to consider that the voting base can and is tailored and manipulated to achieve results that align with the establishment agenda. The supposed freedom of choice we claim to have is subject to the whims of a few. If you want a better democracy you need to learn how that democracy fails to represent people’s voices.
No one is denying the results of the election, we’re just pointing out how democracy isn’t free from influence of power within a party. To deny that you’re keeping us working within a framework that already failed against a fascist once and is threatening to do it again.
Yes, the DNC has its insiders, and they have their preferences, and they're not shy about putting their thumb on the scale to help their preferred candidates, like Donna Brazile giving some of CNN's debate questions to the Clinton campaign.
But they're not wizards, and in the end the voters do have their say. I really dislike Hillary Clinton, but it's also true that millions of Democratic primary voters looked at her, saw a respected former Secretary of State and former First Lady, and that was enough for them.
That's the thing about Democratic primaries, it's the most loyal Democrats who turn out for them in big numbers. People who look at Clinton or Biden and don't see "War criminal", they just see experience and competence and that's all they want from a candidate.
Yes, Bernie got close in 2016, and then failed, and he got close again in 2020 and failed again. I think that says something about the preferences of Democratic primary voters, who don't all agree with you and me.
My view of the voters is that their main initial choices were denied before they ever got a chance to vote. The other candidates strategically dropped out and endorsed Biden to redirect their base of support to him to prevent Bernie from winning. It’s this manipulation of the process that I find problematic. Bernie had the initial lead with all the candidates running. As soon as the establishment saw that they for sure coordinated to have all milquetoast liberal candidates drop out to reduce the choices people had to be more centered around Biden. You can’t pretend that the DNC plays clean politics.
Can you name one successful politician who always played clean politics? Even when elected as part of the winning party, lots of time you have to vote for things you disagree with because that's what you have to do to stay a member of the party. It's called whipping the vote. Being successful in politics means compromising. That's just how democracies work.
Candidates drop out for all sorts of reasons, mainly because they look at the numbers and how they've done so far and conclude they can't win. You really thinks it takes some kind of inside-the-DNC conspiracy to explain why Amy Klobuchar didn't stay til the bitter end?
Wow, he can hold a speech during the middle of the day! Don't look at how looked for the rest of the day...
But you gotta be kidding us! You must be one of four people in the US and the world quite honestly, who think Biden is not on his last miles of his life. Have you ever looked at his schedule and how he manages his schedule? It's even worse than Trump...
Nope, still a half deaf corpse and his schedule reflects that. Are you trying to make the point that Biden is not looking like he's 100 years old and his brain is leaking out of himself ears? Are you seriously claiming that he's fine? That'd be literal MAGA style denying of reality. Blue MAGA
Dude's old, that's for sure. Walks like an old man, talks like an old man. I look at his performance in office, the decisions he's made - including decisions I'm furious about, like his support for Israeli genocide - and I don't see evidence of senility, just a standard-issue Democrat doing what Democrats do. But maybe you can help me out here, what's a decision or policy that came out of his administration that shows mental decline?
I don't really get it, according to Biden and the democrats, Trump is an existential threat to the US and I agree with that. And this election (even though it is said on every election) is the most important election so far in our lifetimes. But why, why in the world is the party sending a half dead corpse who can't get a sentence across, let alone a point that makes sense after 2pm? I'm not an American and I don't vote in US elections, but I can't understand this! Biden, his inner circle and democratic leadership is alienating such a huge amount of voters by holding on to Biden as candidate.
Because Democrats refuse to learn from past mistakes. They did the same thing in 2016 of holding on to their most boring and milquetoast candidate because any perception of change was too much. They try to appeal to conservative moderates instead of the massive working class that doesn’t feel represented
What about the 2020 election, which Biden won? And the many positive accomplishments he has achieved?
2020 was won because of negative voter turnout against Trump, not because Biden instilled confidence and hope for lasting change. It was literally just “better than what we’ve been living through.” All those accomplishments are shadowed by his support for Israel and poor voter engagement. Again he’s been appealing to moderate independents instead of the working class just like Hillary did. I recognize the accomplishments he’s done but that’s because I’m politically engaged. Most people aren’t and that seems to often be ignored by the Democratic establishment
People didn't vote for Biden in 2020. They voted against Trump. We've had 3 calm years in which to forget how bad Trump was. And the MSM doesn't help, magnifying every slip Joe makes, but normalizing Trumps.
80 million people voted for Biden. You sure you know the reason why every last one of them voted the way they did?
Of course not every single person voted that way. The thing is Biden won because of negative voter turnout not because people thought he was the best choice ever
Probably a combination of things, don't you think? Biden did actually run a campaign where he laid out lots of positive ideas like student loan forgiveness and action on climate change. Maybe a lot of his votes came from people who wanted those things?
And yet he’s running on the same things now but polling suggests that he’s going to lose. Why do you think that is?
Polls suggests it will be a close race, just as it was last time. Most post-debate polls show Trump ahead, but by 2-3%, within the margin of error. Either one of them could win it, sorry I can't be more definite than that.
If you’re not American then maybe you’re not aware that Biden has been the most successful and effective president in half a century. That’s why.
Effective at doing what, facilitating a genocide?
And all of his former accomplishments don't really matter if most voters, even dem voters think, he's a walking corpse and is going to drop dead in the next 12 months...
Thank you Robert, for saying what needed to be said.
The really sad thing about dementia is that people live a long time with the disease. Recently attended a conference on cognitive diseases and it was one of the points made over and over: Longevity without much quality of life. And so hard on the family. The body is there but the person is (mostly) gone. Heartbreaking.
At the conference you recently attended, may I assume there was discussion on the impact COVID has on cognition?
2023 study from the NIH: "Rapid Progression of Dementia Following COVID-19"
I understand Biden has had at least 2 bouts of C19--perhaps more as many infections are now asymptomatic.
Do you genuinely believe that policy record alone can win elections? Democrats have always been especially bad at messaging. The Democrats have to stop playing politics as if everyone sits down and looks at the numbers. His record with Israel is a bigger problem than you think as that pushes crucial demographics away from him. Biden’s perception of being too old is unfortunately a problem too. People are more motivated by flamboyant lies than quiet truths. Given that even the most accurate polling finds Biden losing to Trump, this confidence that he’ll just win seems unfounded. This isn’t 2020. At best we simply have no clue who will win in November. At worst Trump has a solid chance to return. If the Democratic establishment cared they wouldn’t have repeated so many of the same mistakes as 2016
I agree. It was just a little over a year ago, I was arguing to a friend that Trump could not win in another election. I stand corrected and humbled today. I’ve changed my tune.
We better get-a-get-on!!!
Same old same old is not cutting it.
We had primaries. Biden won all of them. That's why he's the candidate.
It’s silly to think that the Democratic establishment didn’t have a concerted effort to have people fall in line and support Biden. They knew Biden would be the candidate well before the first votes were cast
Because the only person who chose to run against him was Dean Phillips? Is that how we knew he'd win?
Look, this isn't Putin's Russia, where competitors get jailed or fall out of windows. All the people whose names are being thrown around today (Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Whitmer, etc.) COULD have run in the primaries, and they chose NOT to. Probably because they knew they weren't likely to win. Politicians really don't like running a losing campaign.
Yes, Democratic leadership has a preference for Biden. But so do the voters who voted in Democratic primaries.
You should consider the 2020 primaries. Remember that there were several candidates that dropped out immediately after Super Tuesday despite there being plenty of the races left? They then funneled all the voters to go for Biden and against Bernie. You need to consider that the voting base can and is tailored and manipulated to achieve results that align with the establishment agenda. The supposed freedom of choice we claim to have is subject to the whims of a few. If you want a better democracy you need to learn how that democracy fails to represent people’s voices.
"They then funneled all the voters to go for Biden and against Bernie."
What's your view of the voters? That they're just sheep who go wherever they're "funneled"?
Bernie stayed in the race, I voted for him, but in the end Biden got more votes and delegates.
Seems like you believe it's democracy when you get the result you want, if you don't that means the voters were "funneled."
You can't seriously claim democratic primaries are not shady as hell.. Dem leadership twice now cheated the voters to keep Sanders out of office.
Sorry, I don't waste my time on election deniers. You count the votes, that's how you know who won.
No one is denying the results of the election, we’re just pointing out how democracy isn’t free from influence of power within a party. To deny that you’re keeping us working within a framework that already failed against a fascist once and is threatening to do it again.
Yes, the DNC has its insiders, and they have their preferences, and they're not shy about putting their thumb on the scale to help their preferred candidates, like Donna Brazile giving some of CNN's debate questions to the Clinton campaign.
But they're not wizards, and in the end the voters do have their say. I really dislike Hillary Clinton, but it's also true that millions of Democratic primary voters looked at her, saw a respected former Secretary of State and former First Lady, and that was enough for them.
That's the thing about Democratic primaries, it's the most loyal Democrats who turn out for them in big numbers. People who look at Clinton or Biden and don't see "War criminal", they just see experience and competence and that's all they want from a candidate.
Yes, Bernie got close in 2016, and then failed, and he got close again in 2020 and failed again. I think that says something about the preferences of Democratic primary voters, who don't all agree with you and me.
My view of the voters is that their main initial choices were denied before they ever got a chance to vote. The other candidates strategically dropped out and endorsed Biden to redirect their base of support to him to prevent Bernie from winning. It’s this manipulation of the process that I find problematic. Bernie had the initial lead with all the candidates running. As soon as the establishment saw that they for sure coordinated to have all milquetoast liberal candidates drop out to reduce the choices people had to be more centered around Biden. You can’t pretend that the DNC plays clean politics.
Can you name one successful politician who always played clean politics? Even when elected as part of the winning party, lots of time you have to vote for things you disagree with because that's what you have to do to stay a member of the party. It's called whipping the vote. Being successful in politics means compromising. That's just how democracies work.
Candidates drop out for all sorts of reasons, mainly because they look at the numbers and how they've done so far and conclude they can't win. You really thinks it takes some kind of inside-the-DNC conspiracy to explain why Amy Klobuchar didn't stay til the bitter end?
Okay..? He's still a corpse though..
Also, thanks for your halfhearted agreement that the votes of Democratic primary voters should count for something.
See the "Walking corpse" the day after the debate:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/joe-biden-age-concerns-debate-donald-trump-digvid
Wow, he can hold a speech during the middle of the day! Don't look at how looked for the rest of the day...
But you gotta be kidding us! You must be one of four people in the US and the world quite honestly, who think Biden is not on his last miles of his life. Have you ever looked at his schedule and how he manages his schedule? It's even worse than Trump...
First it was "Walking corpse" now it's complaints about how he manages his schedule. I'm seeing some climb-down in terms of the claims you're making.
Nope, still a half deaf corpse and his schedule reflects that. Are you trying to make the point that Biden is not looking like he's 100 years old and his brain is leaking out of himself ears? Are you seriously claiming that he's fine? That'd be literal MAGA style denying of reality. Blue MAGA
Dude's old, that's for sure. Walks like an old man, talks like an old man. I look at his performance in office, the decisions he's made - including decisions I'm furious about, like his support for Israeli genocide - and I don't see evidence of senility, just a standard-issue Democrat doing what Democrats do. But maybe you can help me out here, what's a decision or policy that came out of his administration that shows mental decline?