Hands off our kids, our universities, our tax dollars! These people think they own all of America and can force us to do their bidding. I am fed up. Experts like Omer Bartov are experts for a reason. We should listen and learn.
Ray A, you have a right to support and vote for DJT and to delude yourself that fascist trump favors a “free” Palestine. You and Cornell west also have a right to support the fascist MAGA cult. We regrettably allow the betrayal of our imperfect democracy. The U.S. does not seem to know how to protect itself from those who spread dis and mis information. One small step would be to require the likes of you to use your real name and ban pseudonyms from platforms such as this; making misidentification of oneself a crime and spreading lies to deceive the public to gain electoral victory to benefit our foreign and domestic enemies a crime aka electoral fraud.
Cornell west, who I once admired, is now in my book a traitor; so are other 3rd party advocates; until we have proportional representation rather the winner takes.
I would encourage you, whoever you are, to use a more authentic emoji, a dagger dicen into our collective back that’s dripping blood. Hope Mehdi finds a way to fumigate for left and right-wing térmites in our midst.
This debate about whether the term "genocide" is now merited is just maddening. Imagine standing on that street corner in Minneapolis as Officer Derek Chauvin puts his knee on the neck of George Floyd: "Well, no, it wouldn't be appropriate at this point to say that Mr. Floyd is being murdered, we can clearly see that he is still breathing."
Rishi Sunak was born in Southampton to parents of Indian descent who immigrated to Britain from East Africa in the 1960s. Perhaps he and his parents if still alive will be emigrating back to Africa? Immigrants going after immigrants. As far as Zeteo, Medhi is MSNBC’s loss, journalism’s gain.
Here in the US, immigrant groups have historically gone from being demonized to being accepted as fully White through service in the police and military (there's a reason why "Irish cop" was a long-running ethnic stereotype, eventually supplanted by "Italian-American cop from Long Island") Today, Hispanic men with no college education can still find entry into the middle class in a job where their bilingual skills are an asset: Customs and Border Patrol. To the extent that Trump is enjoying some increase in support among Texas Hispanics, this could be a factor. In short, the wages of Whiteness are the betrayal of your own people.
Is there a magic number to call it genocide? Deliberately killing innocents in the numbers so far feels like it. The Israeli people aren’t doing this. They too are protesting.
I hope this is true. I had read previously that around 70% of Israeli’s support the offensive on Gaza. What they are protesting is Netanyahu’s attack on Israel’s judiciary.
Well, according to this very learned judge, if you hold a gun to my head you may be "threatening my right not to be murdered" but you are not "threatening to murder" me. See the difference? Yeah, me neither.
I do believe it’s genocide. I do believe that it has also been apartheid. I cannot speak for the Western leaders, I can imagine the conflict of this issue is. The heart of all this insanity is Netanyahu. He bullies other leaders. I think Obama wanted to punch him in a White House meeting when Netanyahu berated Obama. In Netanyahu’s long monologue he was very bullish that nobody tells him what to do. His narcissism is the root of this issue. He has armed Hamas to keep hostilities chronic to keep him in power. He is facing going to jail and is worried about his legacy. Knowing how notorious Israel is known for their spyware. Countries all over the world go to Israel for this very reason. All this expertise and they didn’t know about this atrocious attack I find hard to believe. I think that Netanyahu had knowledge that there was going to be an attack. What he didn’t know was how brutal this attack was. For a bully like him staring at his legacy when this happens what a blow to the ego. There are a lot of Israelis that for allowing this to happen. Many Troops had been pulled out of that area beforehand. This is why men cause wars. They are bullies, crazy, and in the case of Netanyahu it’s blind vengeance. He should be held to trial at the ICJ. Our laws on genocide shouldn’t be twisted because of legal jargon like it is par for the course here. I think Western leaders are afraid of being called anti semites. I think there may be some remaining guilt from the Holocaust in Germany. Israel was kind of an apology country. The wests mea culpa. Regardless, a Spade’s a spade. There is no legal rock to hide under. There is no word salad that should be used. No self defense. His response is disproportionate to the attack. It’s over for him. I think that the US doesn’t want this conflict to spread which Netanyahu did with the bombing of the Iran embassy in Damascus. If I’m right President Biden has forced Netanyahu to the table I just heard that Hamas is traveling to Cairo. There is a proposal for a ceasefire and release of hostages. If Netanyahu fails to comply he will have lost every thread of credibility and I think it gives western leaders a real out to end further support
I remember Rwanda very well. It was very close in time to the Somalian Peacekeeping Mission, or debacle (1992); six of one, half a dozen of another.
There was a debate in Congress at the time (hearing), about the term genocide. At the time, Clinton didn’t want to use the term because it would require the US and our allies to act (as per the 1948 Convention). Specifically, a congressman sarcastically asked, “how many acts of genocide does it take, to call genocide, a genocide?” I remember those words like I heard them yesterday, because they were so chilling and true. America was trying to avoid intervention because Rwanda wasn’t a National Interest and we weren’t willing to risk American blood to save Rwandan lives.
Below is a statement from a State department official at the time:
“State Department spokeswoman Christine Shelly said, "Based on the evidence we have seen from observations on the ground, we have every reason to believe that acts of genocide have occurred in Rwanda." But as a legal matter under the convention, she said, "clearly not all of the killings that have taken place in Rwanda are killings to which you might apply that label."
This sounds a lot like the legal, twist ourselves in judicial jujitsu, debating the legal definition of the term.
Below is the 1948 Convention definition of genocide:
“The 1948 convention banning genocide, which the United States signed only in 1989, bars "acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" by violence. Signatories are obliged to "prevent and punish" such acts.”
This certainly fits the definition of what’s occurring in Gaza. I don’t agree with much of the protesting; I support the Palestinians, and a two state solution, but never the destruction of Israel.
I despise Netanyahu and his government, but feel the same about Trump and the MAGA mob, so you can’t blame all Americans for Trump, all Israeli’s for Netanyahu, or all Palestinians for Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
That said. I do agree this is looking more and more like genocide. Netanyahu and the religious fanatics in Israel are no better than Hamas. These animals deserve each other.
Those who assert that it is "blood libel" to accuse Israel of anything & everything it is doing in plain sight, are asserting that the term "blood libel" has no meaning.
Thank you SO much for launching a great start to Zeteo! I just read the newsletter and will continue to check in every day for news that is not addressed on any of the mainstream channels. In fact, I have given up on watching them.
Those who do not offer what they have to others in need are reprehensible. From governments to citizens, why must others be made to suffer so you can maintain all of your comforts? Those casting away immigrants and refugees and turning away while others are slaughtered in genocide are neither smarter nor are they better. They are merely lucky. Lucky to have been born in a wealthy country and lucky to have unearned privilege. Maintaining the status quo of unearned privilege given to the few not only strengthens inequity, it allows racism to dictate morality.
my problem with the "genocide" marker is not with a definition of things[i leave the quibbling of language to lawyers]..its more with the quantity of death....has israel been excessive in destroying all property in gaza, yes, have they been killing civilians, and in some cases shooting all that moves? yes....is israel effecting a situation where many will starve to death in gaza? equally yes, but sadly i have always seen a genocide for being a larger event but currently we are at 1.5% of the population...i think the case for ethnic cleansing is near the mark, now the palestinian people have been pushed against the last border or the sea...and with a attack on rafah planned, for soon, i rather think the israelis will push things over the tipping point.....if we start to see numbers moving to thousands dying per day,[perhaps to starvation] then its clearly a genocide, but by then its will be to late to stop[lets hope it doesnt get that far]..... but speaking to whether israelis are committing war crimes ,and acting against international law, it seems a inescapable fact that this is the case, even as far as the IDF videos that they publish themselfs daily :(
How about erring on the side of caution? Instead of waiting for, say, 10% of Palestinians to be dead, and then saying, "OK, definitely genocide now", wouldn't it be better to use the strongest language we have, right now? After all, the purpose isn't to win debates about terminology, it's to save lives by stopping the killing.
i have called for a ceasefire, for i beleive that even if israel wishes to eliminate hamas, this is not the way of doing so, this high intensity fighting will not "defeat" hamas, it just aids its recruitment, so i really cant comprehend, israelis tactical aims, here [which makes israels effort even more dubious, unless they are just acting mindlessly or with malice]...so happy have a stop on this mindless war. Again , as i said before, the word "genocide" at this time i think is just enthusiastically overused.....but if people start to starve in large numbers it might become viable...i think ethnic cleansing is the one to look for , if israel attacks rafah,for i fear many paletinians will not move as israel wants them to, its likely to have large casualties..and many will flee across the border into egypt or race for the sea, with "ethnic cleansing" perhaps being highlighted in the criminal court at the hague if that happens :(
Hands Off Rafah
Hands Off Gaza
Hands Off Palestine
End The Occupation NOW
End Zionism NOW
FREE FREE Palestine ❤️❤️
Cornell West for PRESIDENT ❤️
Hands off our kids, our universities, our tax dollars! These people think they own all of America and can force us to do their bidding. I am fed up. Experts like Omer Bartov are experts for a reason. We should listen and learn.
Ray A, you have a right to support and vote for DJT and to delude yourself that fascist trump favors a “free” Palestine. You and Cornell west also have a right to support the fascist MAGA cult. We regrettably allow the betrayal of our imperfect democracy. The U.S. does not seem to know how to protect itself from those who spread dis and mis information. One small step would be to require the likes of you to use your real name and ban pseudonyms from platforms such as this; making misidentification of oneself a crime and spreading lies to deceive the public to gain electoral victory to benefit our foreign and domestic enemies a crime aka electoral fraud.
Cornell west, who I once admired, is now in my book a traitor; so are other 3rd party advocates; until we have proportional representation rather the winner takes.
I would encourage you, whoever you are, to use a more authentic emoji, a dagger dicen into our collective back that’s dripping blood. Hope Mehdi finds a way to fumigate for left and right-wing térmites in our midst.
It would be my ultimate joy when Zeteo becomes a mainstream new media outlet.
This debate about whether the term "genocide" is now merited is just maddening. Imagine standing on that street corner in Minneapolis as Officer Derek Chauvin puts his knee on the neck of George Floyd: "Well, no, it wouldn't be appropriate at this point to say that Mr. Floyd is being murdered, we can clearly see that he is still breathing."
Rishi Sunak was born in Southampton to parents of Indian descent who immigrated to Britain from East Africa in the 1960s. Perhaps he and his parents if still alive will be emigrating back to Africa? Immigrants going after immigrants. As far as Zeteo, Medhi is MSNBC’s loss, journalism’s gain.
Here in the US, immigrant groups have historically gone from being demonized to being accepted as fully White through service in the police and military (there's a reason why "Irish cop" was a long-running ethnic stereotype, eventually supplanted by "Italian-American cop from Long Island") Today, Hispanic men with no college education can still find entry into the middle class in a job where their bilingual skills are an asset: Customs and Border Patrol. To the extent that Trump is enjoying some increase in support among Texas Hispanics, this could be a factor. In short, the wages of Whiteness are the betrayal of your own people.
Is there a magic number to call it genocide? Deliberately killing innocents in the numbers so far feels like it. The Israeli people aren’t doing this. They too are protesting.
I hope this is true. I had read previously that around 70% of Israeli’s support the offensive on Gaza. What they are protesting is Netanyahu’s attack on Israel’s judiciary.
Well, according to this very learned judge, if you hold a gun to my head you may be "threatening my right not to be murdered" but you are not "threatening to murder" me. See the difference? Yeah, me neither.
I do believe it’s genocide. I do believe that it has also been apartheid. I cannot speak for the Western leaders, I can imagine the conflict of this issue is. The heart of all this insanity is Netanyahu. He bullies other leaders. I think Obama wanted to punch him in a White House meeting when Netanyahu berated Obama. In Netanyahu’s long monologue he was very bullish that nobody tells him what to do. His narcissism is the root of this issue. He has armed Hamas to keep hostilities chronic to keep him in power. He is facing going to jail and is worried about his legacy. Knowing how notorious Israel is known for their spyware. Countries all over the world go to Israel for this very reason. All this expertise and they didn’t know about this atrocious attack I find hard to believe. I think that Netanyahu had knowledge that there was going to be an attack. What he didn’t know was how brutal this attack was. For a bully like him staring at his legacy when this happens what a blow to the ego. There are a lot of Israelis that for allowing this to happen. Many Troops had been pulled out of that area beforehand. This is why men cause wars. They are bullies, crazy, and in the case of Netanyahu it’s blind vengeance. He should be held to trial at the ICJ. Our laws on genocide shouldn’t be twisted because of legal jargon like it is par for the course here. I think Western leaders are afraid of being called anti semites. I think there may be some remaining guilt from the Holocaust in Germany. Israel was kind of an apology country. The wests mea culpa. Regardless, a Spade’s a spade. There is no legal rock to hide under. There is no word salad that should be used. No self defense. His response is disproportionate to the attack. It’s over for him. I think that the US doesn’t want this conflict to spread which Netanyahu did with the bombing of the Iran embassy in Damascus. If I’m right President Biden has forced Netanyahu to the table I just heard that Hamas is traveling to Cairo. There is a proposal for a ceasefire and release of hostages. If Netanyahu fails to comply he will have lost every thread of credibility and I think it gives western leaders a real out to end further support
I remember Rwanda very well. It was very close in time to the Somalian Peacekeeping Mission, or debacle (1992); six of one, half a dozen of another.
There was a debate in Congress at the time (hearing), about the term genocide. At the time, Clinton didn’t want to use the term because it would require the US and our allies to act (as per the 1948 Convention). Specifically, a congressman sarcastically asked, “how many acts of genocide does it take, to call genocide, a genocide?” I remember those words like I heard them yesterday, because they were so chilling and true. America was trying to avoid intervention because Rwanda wasn’t a National Interest and we weren’t willing to risk American blood to save Rwandan lives.
Below is a statement from a State department official at the time:
“State Department spokeswoman Christine Shelly said, "Based on the evidence we have seen from observations on the ground, we have every reason to believe that acts of genocide have occurred in Rwanda." But as a legal matter under the convention, she said, "clearly not all of the killings that have taken place in Rwanda are killings to which you might apply that label."
This sounds a lot like the legal, twist ourselves in judicial jujitsu, debating the legal definition of the term.
Below is the 1948 Convention definition of genocide:
“The 1948 convention banning genocide, which the United States signed only in 1989, bars "acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" by violence. Signatories are obliged to "prevent and punish" such acts.”
This certainly fits the definition of what’s occurring in Gaza. I don’t agree with much of the protesting; I support the Palestinians, and a two state solution, but never the destruction of Israel.
I despise Netanyahu and his government, but feel the same about Trump and the MAGA mob, so you can’t blame all Americans for Trump, all Israeli’s for Netanyahu, or all Palestinians for Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
That said. I do agree this is looking more and more like genocide. Netanyahu and the religious fanatics in Israel are no better than Hamas. These animals deserve each other.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1994/06/11/administration-sidesteps-genocide-label-in-rwanda/4b5678ea-cd24-4e6a-afed-a34338c481b2/
Those who assert that it is "blood libel" to accuse Israel of anything & everything it is doing in plain sight, are asserting that the term "blood libel" has no meaning.
Thank you SO much for launching a great start to Zeteo! I just read the newsletter and will continue to check in every day for news that is not addressed on any of the mainstream channels. In fact, I have given up on watching them.
Keep up the good work and stay strong!!
Thank you Althea
The most disgusting part
This racist and terrorist army called "defensive" IDF
How come its defensive in the middle of occupation ?????
Being an occupier put you directly on offensive position, wich makes resistance against this offensive occupier totally legal and justifiable
Those who do not offer what they have to others in need are reprehensible. From governments to citizens, why must others be made to suffer so you can maintain all of your comforts? Those casting away immigrants and refugees and turning away while others are slaughtered in genocide are neither smarter nor are they better. They are merely lucky. Lucky to have been born in a wealthy country and lucky to have unearned privilege. Maintaining the status quo of unearned privilege given to the few not only strengthens inequity, it allows racism to dictate morality.
my problem with the "genocide" marker is not with a definition of things[i leave the quibbling of language to lawyers]..its more with the quantity of death....has israel been excessive in destroying all property in gaza, yes, have they been killing civilians, and in some cases shooting all that moves? yes....is israel effecting a situation where many will starve to death in gaza? equally yes, but sadly i have always seen a genocide for being a larger event but currently we are at 1.5% of the population...i think the case for ethnic cleansing is near the mark, now the palestinian people have been pushed against the last border or the sea...and with a attack on rafah planned, for soon, i rather think the israelis will push things over the tipping point.....if we start to see numbers moving to thousands dying per day,[perhaps to starvation] then its clearly a genocide, but by then its will be to late to stop[lets hope it doesnt get that far]..... but speaking to whether israelis are committing war crimes ,and acting against international law, it seems a inescapable fact that this is the case, even as far as the IDF videos that they publish themselfs daily :(
How about erring on the side of caution? Instead of waiting for, say, 10% of Palestinians to be dead, and then saying, "OK, definitely genocide now", wouldn't it be better to use the strongest language we have, right now? After all, the purpose isn't to win debates about terminology, it's to save lives by stopping the killing.
i have called for a ceasefire, for i beleive that even if israel wishes to eliminate hamas, this is not the way of doing so, this high intensity fighting will not "defeat" hamas, it just aids its recruitment, so i really cant comprehend, israelis tactical aims, here [which makes israels effort even more dubious, unless they are just acting mindlessly or with malice]...so happy have a stop on this mindless war. Again , as i said before, the word "genocide" at this time i think is just enthusiastically overused.....but if people start to starve in large numbers it might become viable...i think ethnic cleansing is the one to look for , if israel attacks rafah,for i fear many paletinians will not move as israel wants them to, its likely to have large casualties..and many will flee across the border into egypt or race for the sea, with "ethnic cleansing" perhaps being highlighted in the criminal court at the hague if that happens :(
Try sushi! It is delicious.
Mehdi please cover this story about the "Screams Before Silence" documentary:
https://youtu.be/TApiok-KiRc?si=J4CbOpQpq8coghD1