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B J Sutherland's avatar

Good call Joe. I hope Kamala Harris gets the nomination and picks Pete Buttigieg as her runningmate.

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Peter Walling's avatar

I suspect with Kamala possibly becoming the first woman president and also being Black/South Asian the VP will be similar to Biden selection by Obama.

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Mike B.'s avatar

The most politically sensible VP pick for a Harris ticket would probably be Andy Beshear, a very popular Democratic governor of a conservative state. Beshear should also be ideal to debate JD Vance.

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B J Sutherland's avatar

Shouldn't we hang on to all the Democratic governors we have in conservative States?

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SteveB's avatar

Are people taking it as a given that it can't be two women? What about Harris/Whitmer?

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ROSALIND BELANGER's avatar

Biden may have a stellar record as far as his domestic policy was concerned, however he has blown all that with his subservience in catering to every whim and wish of Israel. It is despicable how far he went to supply them with the amount and type of weapons he did. I never cared for him over the years and am not a bit sorry that he is stepping down. He isn't doing it willingly, he had to be pushed out.

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Shahin's avatar

Its happening. The battle of the Isreali puppets begins. Americans aren’t letting a woman lead the country……ever!

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SteveB's avatar

Another Zeteo subscriber with the ability to predict the future with absolute certainty!

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Shahin's avatar

It’s on opinion on a journalists website. However, if you wish to treat it as a mystical ball, seek therapy.

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SteveB's avatar

Yes, that's right, it's just an opinion, could be wrong, could be right. Glad we agree on that.

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Shahin's avatar

Exactly, so don’t let it burn you. Take some painkillers dude.

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SteveB's avatar

Gosh, some people just can't take a compliment. Sorry, Nostradamus, have a good one.

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Barb Huntington's avatar

Now we need to pull together. With the supreme court’s war on women, we need a woman candidate and Joe has endorsed Kamila. Would she normally be my favorite? Maybe not, but time is short and we need to pull together fast!

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Batman's avatar

I now pray Almighty God that pancreas cancer takes him away fast. One less Zionist terrorist killer of children.

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Sb's avatar

All the drama for weeks could have been handled better and let Biden be treated with dignity. Now, let’s focus on undoing Trump/Vance…but the fact remains, the country has become a parody!

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Gladwyn d'Souza's avatar

County’s been a parody since Bedtime For Bonzo became Herr President

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Tony Glover's avatar

Honorable of Biden but this affair showed me how our votes don't matter. Be we republican or dem, oligarchs control the party. E. Jean Carroll, who won her rape civil case against Trump has a substack and she asked folks to complete the following phrase: "WHY THE GODS SAVED TRUMP." My response is below, a poem of sorts for Joe Biden in Five acts [yes I was that p*ssed off]:

WHY THE GODS SPARED TRUMP

[IN FIVE ACTS] [FOR JOE BIDEN]

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ACT I.

SCENE 1.

the gods spared trump so

democrat millionaires

as puppet masters

pull the strings of

pelosi

schumer

jeffries

obama

to call a man named joe,

feigning friendship in public,

giving mafiosa ultimatums

drop out or else.

the gods spared trump so...

all americans

can be schooled

by fat cats

controlling dnc coffers

you know

like hollywood know-it-alls

whose sh*t don't stink

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SCENE 2.

the gods spared trump so

oligarchs can squawk atop

soapboxes built by

nbc universal

jive talkin' a climate change

uncounting votes

as white men

new some one

waited in the wings

for a robin to stop singing

so Hitchcockian birds

could swoop like vultures

plucking balls out

octogenarian sockets

not of a supremacist

but a man of couth

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SCENE 3.

the gods spared trump so

the party of jackasses

could gather their flock

dripping blood diamonds

trapping a caged bird

i know why he sings

betrayed by some of his own

the elite

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ACT II.

SCENE 1.

the gods spared trump so

malcolm's chickens

coming home to roost

like chicken george

clucking $30 million seeds

knowing a robin

lost his words

stumbled arthritic

molted white feathers

not a wispy red

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SCENE 2.

the gods spared trump so

a 2-faced clown named clooney

smoking a fag

bedding down 4 joe

pumping ER lifelines

free-basing blood diamonds like botha

liberation libation

could turn

trippin'

bussing tire marks

across octogenarian ass

as rosa rolled over in her grave

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SCENE 3.

the gods spared trump so

a moore

frontin and trippin;

a white dude tryin' to be like mike

might answer the call

yet again

of MSNBC homies

because

you know

his birdsh*t don't stink

droppin' funk

from ivy towers

as oligarchs do

***

ACT III.

SCENE 1.

the gods spared trump so

maddow and lawrence

with joy

could rev up

house mates

senile senators

older than biden

and call up ex-presidents

asking would he soon be pimpin'

jive greenbacks

sweatin' mexicans at borders

after jive shuckin'

corn for CNN

pickin' cotton for the times in ny

ridin' washing post-apocalyptic horses

jive talkin' telling me lies

blue eyed bee gees, like demons

calling jackass minions

illumaniti dnc sambos

that dictate to harvard

this n*gga b*tch is going down

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SCENE 2.

the gods spared trump so

clueless as silver-stoned supremacists

oligarchs would be blinded that

what they have wrought

black people were told

248 years ago

shucked two-thirds human

by cotton fields slaved american capital

to fly like Cassandra

cracking backs and breaking necks

of n*ggers not niggaz (a jive reclamation)

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SCENE 3.

the gods spared trump so

confederate marchin'

dei folk would choose for their rainbows

3 brown stripes, 10 yellow stripes, 1 black

denying black excellence

cracking necks of a king and an x

assassinated

so 10% brothas become 4%

of all med students in 2024

numbers stagnant since '68

when a ray of white hope assassinated a king

carrying gold, frankincense, myrrh

gifting a voting rights act

that 21st century supremes nullified

"set me free why don't you babe"

clipping wings of a prez

blacker-than thou (but not me)

***

ACT IV.

SCENE 1.

the gods spared trump so

to spoon feed us

a silver-tongued supremacist

after hillary presumed

she could move black folk

like biracial barack

a prez schooled by a man called joe

to silence hetero black ministers

jive talking' jesus

would never bless a black f@ggots

to a blue-eyed devil who

like biden set him free

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SCENE 2.

the gods spared trump so

I could remember how

biden wrapped me in his bosom

before one of my own would

black messiah

a legend smacking a rock like will

jive step atop the bandwagon

my brotha

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SCENE 3.

the gods spared trump so

barack could

call up a friend

insult his intelligence

that service to country matters not

'cause bones cracked pain

like arthritis

'cause nouns could not find pathways

to his mouth

and he stopped to gather himself

after his staff

visioned by tunnels

set him on a road

that allowed him to fall

***

ACT V.

SCENE 1.

the gods spared trump so

the black messiah

could whisper to joe

folks who built my library

woke up michele and i

in the dead of night

asked me jump like sambo

and i said how high

so my friend

it's time you jump higher

reach for this higher ground

we have laid before you

not as choice but dictate

because i speak for black people

so get off my lawn

where crosses burn

where i dropped drone bombs

on afghani children

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SCENE 2.

the gods spared trump so

oligarchs could not see

black people like me

are not blind and see

people who are enemies of democracy

can be black like me

clarion calling sirens

eyes dead as carrion

to a clarity that white male hegemony

could wail like slaves

black power to white folk

like a moore

who wants to be like mike

who speak love for black people

working class chic to millionaire chic

in their movies and politic...

and preen

msnbc peacock proud

like trump

and insurrect without american flags

that impale a pence

jumping fences

in a bloodless coup

*

SCENE 3.

the gods spared trump so

men

who shill for oligarchs

could

do

whatever

they

damned

well

please.

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Lisa's avatar

SO tired of some people's insistence that black people want Joe Biden, and that it was only rich white men, who wanted rid of that genocidally racist prick.

The racist prick who declined to make ANY effort to protect voting rights. The racist prick who used his first SOTU to spit in the face of BLM, and $$$hower kkkops with EXTRA funding.

"Oligarchs doing whatever they damned well please," describes the 2020 primaries, AT LEAST as well as it describes 2024. In 2020, Biden & the DNC forcibly grabbed the choice out of the hands of the base. (A base that had consistently rejected Biden's attempts at the presidency, and was set to do so again.)

Top-down pressure, backroom deals, withdrawing every option they could, and ganging up against the only options that refused to withdraw in Biden's favor, is how Biden took the 2020 "nomination." THIS time, Biden & the DNC tried to give the base no choice at all.

PLENTY of black people — without money, power, or political positions — want rid of that genocidal backstabber.

Nail yourself to a cross if you so choose, but don't pretend it's "black people" up there with you.

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Tony Glover's avatar

Huh? Many wanted Biden gone but—like those who came after the first black female Harvard President Claudine Gay—mostly WHITE MALE MILLIONAIRE OLIGARCHS made it happen.

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Weren't there tons of Black folk who DID want Joe over Kamala four years ago? Let's not rewrite history here. Black folk in South Carolina were THE catalyst to Biden getting the DEM's nod in 2020. Black people's sh*t stinks too. Everyone's does. That much is clear.

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By the way, there are Black folk eminently unclear about Palestinian genocide. Christian Black ministers—by the hundreds if not thousands—support Zion and Zionism as religious precepts with Jewish folk as God's "Chosen People." Too many Black prelates teach this over and again many a Sunday in many a Black Church in the United States.

What's more, Obama infamously spat this responding to concerns about US-made Israeli bombs dropped on Palestinian kids:

"As hard as it may be to grasp, children will be casualties of war," or words to that affect.

Spoken like a *BLACK* President who dropped bombs on Afghani children.

All white folks have it in them on most days to be racist "pr*cks."

And, from where I sit, too many Black straight folk can be heterosexist "pr*cks," some fronting as apologists for a hip hop genre that would rather shoot my queer ass dead if they see me on the street with my white husband, if we want to go there.

None of us are far from being the Klansmen we despise. We all neck-step on folks we dehumanize as the devil incarnate.

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That does not mean that we undo electoral primary votes. We all are bigots even as we all don't have power to instutionalize that bigotry.

So no. even as Biden was an apologist for Israel we don't get to take him out by calling oligarchs to undo primary elections, even as we all know, few elections in American history has been fair to assuring all Black folk who could vote got the opportunity to do so.

Humans no matter the race, creed, or political persuasion are opportunists. None of our hands our clean. This is neither solely a Black or White problem.

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An example from my own life.

When I think of how many Jewish people and gays were slaughtered in Nazi Germany before the United States—not our government, but its people—decided we could help end the slaughter, I don’t think I ever quite understood it.

The calculus seemed simple to me, but then again…

I was in my teens before I knew that had happened to another people half a world away.

I am African American and, as far as I can remember, no one in my family ever talked to my siblings or me about the death of millions at the hands of a nation’s dominant belief in a Christian God I was also taught to believe in.

How could that be?

I mean really. That is not a rhetorical question.

HOW—

COULD—

THAT—

BE?

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Today, Gazans—at the direction of folks who trace their lineage back to Holocaust survivors—summarily are executed.

Most of them are women and children.

Please—do try not to misinterpret what I am writing here: Judeo-Christian folk are NOT monolithic.

A significant plurality of Christians and Jews —both in Israel (yes, there are Christians in Israel) and the United States—do and did speak against Netanyahu, against the Israeli Defense Force, and against Israel’s targeting of Gaza’s noncombatant citizen innocents.

Yet, for too many others, that kind of clarity came only after having to be convinced that what is happening in Gaza is a textbook case genocide——if one considers the historical record of warring nations.

Sadly, for others—no matter their race, creed, color—that clarity may never come.

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But I must be honest about my own people, so to speak.

Of course, no cultural group or subgroup is monolithic, but we do divide, all of us, into our clans; so, it is easy to speak, or write, about our clannish ways.

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In the United States of America, four years ago, 15% of men who like me in that they are African descendant voted for Donald Trump.

Most were convinced by a whimsy and flimsy and two dimensionality of a man I would never understand.

A man who bragged about grabbing the private parts of a woman.

Who raped a woman.

15% of Black men who look like me chose Donald Trump as their president even knowing the history of slave-master violence toward their ancestors.

That cuts deep.

Real deep to the mothers, sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins, et al., whom they know and love.

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I actually get why something like that disconnect happens—even as I don’t excuse it.

Indeed, for some the reasoning was as simple as this: "Trump speaks his mind, like I do." Literally that was THE argument a Black relative proffered. He liked that Trump was not like other politicians and spoke his mind—

But part of what Trump spoke his mind about was assaulting women. Like all men, those who claim African descendancy are not immune to male dominance, sexism, misogyny.

Perhaps that is harsh of me.

Perhaps it is not.

But I know this to be true:

Some Black men—at least 15 percent apparently—would never judge Trump based on misogyny because they excuse it if not embrace it.

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This is true even as they know—or so they say they know—their Black history.

That history—replete with slave master sexual violence toward their ancestors—means that today their sisters, mothers, and grandmothers come in all hues of the rainbow with their skin tones either chocolate brown, or mocha brown, or crème-colored.

Some are lighter than the proverbial paper bag test that African Americans use to hate upon people who look like my sister, Andrea, while others hate upon the Nubian tone of my stepmother, Marie—one too light and the other too dark—with my sister sometimes preferred by Black men who look like me, shaded from milk chocolate to dark chocolate.

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I give up. On more days than not these days it seems like we have all gone mad.

Too many are convinced by a man without couth that he deserves to be re-elected even though he led a coup largely in the name of a White supremacy directed against African Americans mostly because he did not like that Black folk in Georgia helped defeat him.

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And I repeat, 15% of Black men who look like me voted for Trump in 2020 rather than hold their noses and vote for Joseph Biden. That’s after 12% of them did so in 2016 rather than hold their noses and vote for Hillary Clinton.

Some were just conservative, but many others had been left leaning on the political spectrum most of their lives but fell from Trump’s lie (a seduced Kanye West still supports trump in 2024) that convinced themselves a vote for Trump was a vote for their liberation from a Democratic party that, on most days, CHOOSES not to love them but instead uses and abuses them to attain power in America.

I agree that DEMS don’t really love Black people but instead tend to use them.

But—

Would I vote for someone hawking White supremacist bona fides in order to make a statement against the clear and present tendency of a Democratic party I too perceive uses and abuses black folk like me?—

No, I would not.

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—Racism?

—Islamophobia?

—Antisemitism?

—Sexism?

—Cis-genderism?

—Heterosexism?

—Other-ism?

None of us escape repression, yet we pick others to dominate if not eradicate.

Any "-ism" connected to state, religion, or economic hegemony pervasively represses such that few escape its power.

That's what any -ism does.

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In America, with politic reflexively pro Israel, that particular bias profoundly infiltrates U.S. print and TV journalism.

I'm not a propagandist.

Nor do I believe I have all the answers.

What I know for sure?

None of our hands are clean. Not mine. Not yours. No one's.

I struggle to name global institutions unaffected either by Christian, Hindi, Islamic, Judeo, or other religionist dominance, by White dominance, or by State-driven dominance connected to the US, UK, or EU; Russia; China; India; Saudi Arabia; Iran; Japan; or other world powers.

In Gaza, even Arab/Islamic nations today fail Palestinians:

● Egypt rejects refugees leaving Gazans to twist in the wind, closing borders after its leaders crushed that nation's own Islamic democratic revolution.

● Saudi Arabia is silent partner more to Israel—less to Palestine—as its Crown Prince executes and chops up journalists who critique him.

● Iran? Largely feckless as protector. The winds shift in Iran blown by prelates hawking a sham democracy dependent upon those who hold power as a manifestation of God incarnate.

It's also an intra-Palestinian problem (Hamas v Fatah).

Certainly, Gaza is ruled by a dictatorial Hamas that for two decades has refused to allow Gazans to vote on its civil/political leadership.

Hamas took up arms threatened in 2006 by Fatah's unexpected strength (41% to Hamas' 45%) in Palestinian elections local to Gaza.

Months later, Hamas invoked civil conflict against a Fatah that via the ballot not the bullet threatened Hamas' hegemony.

Today, neither Hamas nor Israel dare hold elections in Gaza.

And Gaza is democratic? Who believes that?

It's authoritarian. Democratic in name only.

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Too many are convinced they're right 100% of the time, especially if "they believe."

Assured their faith is supreme, they invoke God in the name of war because what is aspirational—namely their God—was created by humans as a manifestation of what they could not achieve.

Humans created God largely defined as Unconditional Love because they aspired to something other than a tendency to massacre each other blinded to their hate by faith. Then—too many used God to do just that—massacre one another.

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I am clear what I believe to be the problem. People who use religionist faith no matter their race to justify belittling, dehumanizing, or eradicating folks who don't believe what they do.

You may not to agree; that is fine with me.

These days too many are 100% sure what they today believe is—and always will be—right.

I'm not so sure of myself.

Nor should you be.

None of us should.

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Lisa's avatar

I'm glad you edited your reply. When you first came back with, "I said nothing of the sort," I genuinely questioned myself, reread your comment, and wondered what I was supposed to have gotten wrong. So I genuinely do appreciate that you removed that.

Concerning your edit: You assert, "Many wanted Biden gone but... mostly WHITE MALE MILLIONAIRE OLIGARCHS made it happen."

If that was an answer to my statement, "PLENTY of black people — without money, power, or political positions — want rid of that genocidal backstabber," then, that reply is irrelevant to my point.

If (on the other hand) that was just a straw man — meant to imply that I was arguing that powerful people don't have more power than powerless people — then that sure would be a stupid thing for me to argue... IF I HAD.

You have not refuted anything I actually said, but what you HAVE managed to do, is to make an argument for THANKING the mostly-white-male-millionaire-oligarchs, who "made it happen," when "many wanted Biden gone." Since I'm not willing to go so far as to thank them, I'll just leave that with you.

Your question, "Weren't there tons of Black folk who DID want Joe over Kamala four years ago," is (also) irrelevant to any of my assertions, but sure. "Tons" seems like an overstatement, but sure. Four years ago.

Contrary to your assertion, I haven't rewritten a single letter of history.

You went on to write, "By the way, there are Black folk eminently unclear about Palestinian genocide...."

That seems like a pointless insult. Sure, SOME black people are assh•les; I never said otherwise. Black people are people. The fact that some are pricks, goes without saying. The phrase, "PLENTY of," is explicitly NOT all-encompassing.

Similarly, your emphasis on how inadequate Obama was on the subject of Palestine — while heavily emphasizing that he is "BLACK" — just reads like every white supremacist's bad-faith whataboutism.

If a black president is a fraction as wrong as a genocidally racist white president...

... then that DOES NOT CHANGE one single fact about the genocidally racist white president.

To skip to the end rather than address a long comment, one line at a time, I'll just address the subject of being "so sure of myself":

I don't pretend to know everything. I often leave no comment at all, or leave a comment that says nothing more than to thank the author, contributor, guests, etc. for their insight.

On subjects where I AM sure of myself — such as my unambiguous certainty that genocide is indefensible — I absolutely SHOULD be sure of my self.

So should we ALL.

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Tony Glover's avatar

I get it. You know everything. Thanks for clarifying that. I did not say folks cannot be self assured. You are avoiding the issue that you can be as assured as you want, but you can STILL be wrong , and if you are a person of color, then like the white folk who are racist, you neck step too. We all do. Especially when we are sure we are right.

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Lisa's avatar

My fault for ever having given you the benefit of the doubt. Won't happen again.

No one could read my comment, in good faith, and get THAT out of it. To repeat the ending:

"I don't pretend to know everything. I often leave no comment at all, or leave a comment that says nothing more than to thank the author, contributor, guests, etc. for their insight."

"On subjects where I AM sure of myself — such as my unambiguous certainty that genocide is indefensible — I absolutely SHOULD be sure of my self."

"So should we ALL."

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SteveB's avatar

This is great news, isn't it? The genocidal prick is gone and now we get a chance to make history by electing our first Black woman President! I'm pretty excited about that, how 'bout you?

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Harry D. Barr's avatar

I WILL PROUDLY VOTE for VPOTUS HARRIS for POTUS!!❤❤❤❤

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SteveB's avatar

You and me both, Harry.

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ALN's avatar

Thank you Biden you saw the light.

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Naz Mirza's avatar

Genuinely looking forward to hearing zeteo’s take on this, this is good journalism.

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Saleha A Ahmed's avatar

Tough times. Can't wait to hear our Zeteo leaders.

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Susan Davenport's avatar

I feel cheated!

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Murray Smart's avatar

Everyone everywhere hammer home the tremendous damage that PROJECT 2025 will do to ALL of our country if MAGA Republicans are elected. Want details? Go to stopthecoup2025.org

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Susan Davenport's avatar

I am a paid subscriber. No details about townhall - zoom

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SteveB's avatar

I got an email about it.

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Susan Davenport's avatar

Has it happened already?

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SteveB's avatar

Yes.

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Susan Davenport's avatar

Was it good? Maybe they recorded it.

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SteveB's avatar

I guess we'll hear more about the process at the Town Hall, but I don't see how anyone can take it from Harris if the convention delegates have any say. The delegates aren't 5000 randomly-selected Democrats, except for the superdelegates they're all Biden delegates chosen for their loyalty to Joe Biden. If Biden says it's Harris, won't they vote for Harris?

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ROSALIND BELANGER's avatar

Another comment on Biden's departure. Who in their right mind would go for Harris to be president? The woman is just silly, always giggling to the point you can't take her seriously. One thing I do take seriously and dislike immensely is her very strong pro-Israeli stance. That never bodes well for Palestinians. She will end up being another boot-licker to the Zionists. Are the Democrats incapable of putting up an intelligent man or woman that is actually statesman-like?

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SteveB's avatar

Biden' support for Israeli genocide and land-grabbing wasn't some special Joe Biden thing, it was just standard Democratic-party policy since 1948. I've never understood why so many people here seemed to imagine that replacing Biden would result in an improvement. Rashida Tlaib was never going to be his replacement.

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ROSALIND BELANGER's avatar

Quite right, the U.S. has never been known to do the right thing where Israel is concerned (or for other M.E. countries either!) They're not the do-gooders they like to think they are (I speak only of the governments, not the people.) They have already invaded most of the world inasmuch as they have hundred of military bases throughout the planet.

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