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Moh's avatar

We can vote to Jill Stein. Not going to vote for either genocidal corrupt parties, sorry.

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Anita Noad's avatar

Unfortunately, a vote for Jill Stein is ultimately a vote for DJT. We've got to playtime cards we're dealt even if it mens voting for Biden in this election.

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Marwan's avatar

I am not American, and I do care about the wellbeing of the American people and their democracy.

I think that people who fear a fully fascist Trump regime are underestimating the Americans ability to stop him.

As for Palestinians, I think Israelis are planning to commit a wider scale genocide against Palestinians with or without Trump's administration, and Biden is not going to stop them because he is a deep zionist fanatic.

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Syed Aslam Zahir's avatar

Israhell is THE SUPER POWER. Not America

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Shellinaya's avatar

Underestimating? No, the American people are generally sheep-like and just want their lives to be comfortable and uninterrupted by unpleasantness. They think Trump makes them richer. My eyes have really been opened in the last 10 years by the actual ethical makeup of the American people. Most people seem unethical to me now, versus pre-Trump.

I believe those same Americans would welcome some fascism. That's why we have to give them no chance to do it, by not letting Trump into office again.

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Istvan Kash's avatar

A Stein/West ticket?

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Loraca's avatar

Hopefully someday we will have more choices. Hopefully in time we can have more than a two party system but it ain’t happening this time around 😞

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Istvan Kash's avatar

With two horrible candidates, if not now, then when?

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Marsha's avatar

I’ll be voting for Cornel West, but living in CA, only the Dem will Cary the state,

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Marwan's avatar

I think the is the right choice. They have taken off the gloves and we have to do the same.

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Marsha's avatar

The Democrats have become intolerable…to me.

Not to mention #AIPAC money . This promotes racism of various forms. They should be required to register as a foreign entity.@POTUS took a massive donation.

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Marsha's avatar

And our next senator, the cheater, will be even worse.

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Marsha's avatar

Sorry for obscure language , I forgot this isn’t Instagram! lol. Adam Schiff is worse than Biden.

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Loraca's avatar

I live in PA. I didn’t vote for Biden in the primary. He is a foolish old ass Zionist. I needed to scare him. I think he’s too dumb to be scared. I don’t understand him. But I must in conscience vote for his sorry old ass in November because the alternative is sooooo much worse. Trump hates Muslims. He hates the Palestinians. He hates BIPOC immigrants and I fear he will put them in camps here in America. Biden will come and go but Trump will have the power to seek revenge on us. And he may die but not before he does irreparable damage to the structure of our government.

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Robert Heling's avatar

Biden literally hates Palestinian people just like Trump, if not more and has said horiibly racist things about them. He doesnt care about the people being shot and littles boys being slaughtered in the US and cares even less about the Palestinian people in Palestine! Biden is putting immigrants in cages just like Trump, puts forward Trump like immigration reform and creates a atmosphere of hate towards pro Palestinian activists throughout the country, is smearing them antisemitic and compares them to literal Nazis!

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Loraca's avatar

And no one can stop you from doing that. You have the right to vote for whomever you want. I hope we’re all just having a discussion here. Of course I would love to persuade you to vote differently, but please know that I respect you. Please know that as a fellow American who loves democracy I love you. Maybe that sounds sappy, but it’s true.

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Rich Carlson's avatar

Keep in mind that independent candidates typically get around 1% of votes (and less!) and no electoral votes. For example leading independent candidate Jo Jorgenson got around 1.2% in the 2020 election. It's a protest vote--and a heartfelt one of the voter is truly interested in the candidate's platform, but in any case it is a wasted opportunity to block Trump--which is what we must do or you can kiss democracy and the rule of law goodbye. That's just the way it is.

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Rich Carlson's avatar

The two sides are NOT equal. One side actually cares about people. Old people. Poor people. Sick people. Child people. The other side shows nothing but contempt for the old, the sick, the young and the poor. To me there is no contest. Not even close.

What's going on in Gaza, and Biden's part in it, is serious stuff, but not as serious (for us over here) as allowing a single lie to implode the greatest democracy in the world.

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Robert Heling's avatar

Greatest democracy in the world? How is a two party system with the electoral college, a deeply undemocratic senate and many many more issues the greatest democracy in the world?

And how does he care about children? He did let the child tax credit expire which exploded child poverty!

The poor? This has to be a joke, he didnt fight for 15$ minimum wage and did nothing about affordable housing, no Biden cheques (that he promised) and no public option (that he promised as well)

The young? He despises the young as he showed in recent months and even before, when he refused to fight for the policies young people want to see and sometimes doing the exact opposite! He even said it during the 2020 campaign "I have ZERO empathy for them"

The only people he didnt seem to despise are (in part) boomers and i dont care about his empath in chief image or how he is acting around children. His policies speak a different language.

The empath chief image also has nothing but contempt for muslim americans, Palestinian americans and Palestinian people in general. The things he said throughout his career about people from the MENA region, especially Palestinians are so disgusting and racist, it is a miracle he got a lot of their votes in 2020.

And now he is complicit in genocide, bypassed congress several times to send weapons to Israel, he lied about October 7 even in his last speech he lied so much, his admin had to quietly walk back some of his statements again! His admin gives political and diplomatic cover to Israel at the UN again and again. He does nothing about the atrocities in Gaza and the Westbank, when there are very strong ways to take action!

I`m sorry, but Biden is as awful as a democratic President can be. People held their nose, voted for him in 2020 hoping he would keep his word and be a one term President. But he actively chooses to break promises and to turn big parts of his electorate against him! When he looses in November, it will be his and not the voters` fault

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Rich Carlson's avatar

Compared to Trump, Joe Biden is a saint. I agree with you about his atrocious (literally) support of Netanyahu and the ultimate and grim irony of it. Our concerns wholly overlap here.

Regardless, Trump would do far more damage to America and America's standing in the world.

If you want to kiss Democracy and the Rule of Law goodbye, and install an autocrat --a dangerous psychopath, frankly-- stay steamed and stubborn. In a way... honestly, I don't blame you. But this is a responsibility that we can't turn away from or everything we know ends.

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Robert Heling's avatar

I agree with you about Trump. He will be a disaster for the US and the rest of the world. And I hope, Biden will change his ways but time is running out for him. He needs at least to do something, anything at all to get his voters back.

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Rich Carlson's avatar

A vote for anyone else but Biden is basically a vote for Trump. You know the saying: don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Your vote is a Trump block. Don't throw it away!

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Moh's avatar

I know what is coming, but I will never be able to justify for either Biden the genocidal, or Trump the corrupt. The democratic party had the ball for a long time and they all deliberately decided to risk their chance to support a genocidal foreign country. Just look at what they did recently to pass the new Antisemitism Awareness Act. It seems they don't even care about First Amendment anymore. Why should we care about their wining?

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Loraca's avatar

I do think we should talk about what can we do if Trump wins in the GOP does the awful thing of an acting project 2025. I wonder who would give us asylum. I heard Canada was somewhat preparing for this. They would be wise to do this— Two grand asylum so that we could organize in a Safe way. There are certainly a whole lot of us. Who actually loved democracy. It scares the ever loving crap outta me though

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